Will Trump be a Good President? - Page 814

Urs Max · #**16261** 07.10.2018, 11:05

	Quote:	amogles
	I can unterstand that some people may have a problem with Kavangha. To be honest, I'm not really convinced of him myself. But this debate should have been about his qualities or otherwise as a judge. It should have been about legal technicalities and understanding of the law. By bringing up this whole sexual thing, any hope of reasonable on topic debate was drowned out. I hope the Dem strategists who masterminded the whole campaign against him will be taking a long look in the mirror.

How is dishonesty and lack of integrity not on exactly that topic, on being fit for that position?

When you have half a dozen former classmates who (many independently from each other) say Kav lied to the Senate comittee, don't you think there's probably fire behind the smoke? Remember, this isn't a criminal case, the hurdle should be much more like "when in doubt decide against".

k swiss · #**16262** 07.10.2018, 14:05

Like Trump's accusers, now that Kavanaugh has gained power she will likely fade into obscurity. Funny that.

3Wishes · #**16263** 07.10.2018, 14:17

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Big win for Trump.

Yuuuge!

	Quote:	Noth
	...That some of you think his temperament is off after the character assassination this man has been subjected to by the Left...

There's no actual evidence that "the Left" is behind any of this but yet you believe it and preach it as gospel. There's also no solid evidence that Kavanaugh was the one who assaulted Ford, but the metoo movement preaches that as gospel. How is your gospel more truthful or relevant? Kavanaugh showing passion in his defense doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong.

It only means he's passionate.

A good read here, comparing Kavanaugh's confirmation with Thomas's. There are some obvious left-leaning points but also a good analysis of how the Ds have been doing a great job of defeating themselves:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...evenge/571675/

A snippet:

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	...On Thursday however, Kavanaugh made his partisan inclinations clear. “This whole two-week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit, fueled with apparent pent-up anger about President Trump and the 2016 election,” Kavanaugh testified, blaming “fear that has been unfairly stoked about my judicial record, revenge on behalf of the Clintons, and millions of dollars in money from outside left-wing opposition groups.” He added a threat for good measure, warning his critics that “what goes around comes around.” ... By Kavanaugh’s own standard, he is incapable of sitting on the Court. While justices are in practice often partisan actors, hewing closely to one party’s preferred outcome in big cases, they understand their own role as impartial jurists interpreting the law and the Constitution. Kavanaugh’s characterization of the charges against him as a left-wing revenge plot shows that the illusion is not one he even cares to maintain. There is no case that might come before the Court involving partisan interests in which Kavanaugh could be impartial. Kavanaugh himself told us so.

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	...Chronic hypocrisy is now a mainstay of modern politics. How embarrassing.

And sad.

I don't know why one side has to be 100% right and the other 100% wrong. Most of the positive things that have come about in the U.S. government were the result of bipartisanship, not hyper partisanship.

amogles · #**16264** 07.10.2018, 18:19

I wonder if Putin or his Russian hackers played any part here.

marton · #**16265** 07.10.2018, 20:09

	Quote:	amogles
	I wonder if Putin or his Russian hackers played any part here.

It ain't over till the fat lady sings!

Who in Putin's gang will play the fat lady role is not yet known

Edit: probably Spanky has the best attributes for this role?

Rob · #**16266** 07.10.2018, 21:11

There is one thing though. It is no longer possible to use the simile “Sober as a Judge”.

st2lemans · #**16267** 07.10.2018, 21:36

	Quote:	Rob
	There is one thing though. It is no longer possible to use the simile “Sober as a Judge”.

How does this work?

Tom

Urs Max · #**16268** 07.10.2018, 21:41

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	There is one thing though. It is no longer possible to use the simile “Sober as a Judge”.

Why not?

The meaning's the opposite now but it's still usable.

marton · #**16269** 07.10.2018, 22:52

Indulged myself by liking this cartoon.
Basically about the fact that Trump claimed multiple times on the Presidential campaign trail he borrowed a million from his father and alone parleyed it into a billion dollar company.

Whereas the New York Times claims it was all from his father and by the age of 8 he had already received multi millions!

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omtatsat · #**16270** 08.10.2018, 07:26

Well the whole Kavanaugh thing passes quickly into history. Problem is most Amis have short attention span.

#**16271** 08.10.2018, 07:40

	Quote:	omtatsat
	Well the whole Kavanaugh thing passes quickly into history. Problem is most Amis have short attention span.

Who is Kavanaugh? Halloween in 3 weeks, woo!

marton · #**16272** 08.10.2018, 11:26

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	Mercedes said September deliveries slumped 8 percent. More complex emissions procedures took effect in Europe that month, triggering production bottlenecks that contributed to the decline. Audi was even harder hit, with its worldwide deliveries tumbling 22 percent.

Source

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	White House to propose weaker auto emissions rules, overriding California

Source

How Trump hopes to increase US auto exports to a world that is moving to stronger emission rules is not clear!

amogles · #**16273** 08.10.2018, 15:55

	Quote:	rob
	there is one thing though. It is no longer possible to use the simile “sober as a judge”.

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st2lemans · #**16274** 08.10.2018, 16:05

	Quote:	marton
	How Trump hopes to increase US auto exports to a world that is moving to stronger emission rules is not clear!

By making them compatible with the actual numbers of European manufacturers!

Tom

#**16275** 08.10.2018, 19:26

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I would say getting behind an unproven accusation of sexual assault because you don't like a person's politics is about as unethical as you can get.

<Lights match, torches another strawman> Try again.

k swiss · #**16276** 08.10.2018, 20:25

	Quote:	3Wishes
	There's no actual evidence that "the Left" is behind any of this but yet you believe it and preach it as gospel.

It must of been the conservatives!

marton · #**16277** 08.10.2018, 20:32

	Quote:	k swiss
	It must of been the conservatives!

There's no actual evidence that "the conservatives" are behind any of this?

#**16278** 08.10.2018, 21:51

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	What a bizarre proposition: that all the participants in any litigation who are represented by the same lawyer must be untruthful and unreliable. Are you suggesting that Avenatti seeks out liars as clients? Or that he systematically (and apparently very successfully, without getting caught) trains them to lie (even when they have palpably provable cases)? Or is it just women who are involved in cases concerning sexual misconduct who disturb you? What a weird planet you must live on.

Enlighten me, 22 yards how Avenatti is credible when Dems now BLAME him for Kavanugh's successful nomination? I note your comment "palpably proven causes"! Wow if I had any red blobs to give you I would... But since I do not concur with your political views, you can issue them to me at will - effectively bullying those who do not subscribe to your view. And you accuse me of partisanship?? As if you and Marton are objective?

Note to you: Avenatti is a slime ball as is his unreliable witness, Swetnick, whom you and Marton so willingly embraced. He/Avenaatti has - in effect, according to many Dems, undercut Ford's statement and helped Kavanaugh secure the nomination. But please give me more red blobs as you are quick to note other's errors but fail to detail your own lapses...PS I could give a toss re "popularity" and my lack thereof. But I disdain "herd mentality" as evidenced on this thread.

This forum should be an open discussion and respectful.

FYI...this from a liberal outlet, CNN (which should excite you and Marton!) I try and understand both sides of the argument. Do you?

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/06/p...ion/index.html

marton · #**16279** 08.10.2018, 22:15

	Quote:	terrifisch
	Enlighten me, 22 yards how Avenatti is credible when Dems now BLAME him for Kavanugh's successful nomination? I note your comment "palpably proven causes"! Wow if I had any red blobs to give you I would... But since I do not concur with your political views, you can issue them to me at will - effectively bullying those who do not subscribe to your view. And you accuse me of partisanship?? As if you and Marton are objective? Note to you: Avenatti is a slime ball as is his unreliable witness, Swetnick, whom you and Marton so willingly embraced. He/Avenaatti has - in effect, according to many Dems, undercut Ford's statement and helped Kavanaugh secure the nomination. But please give me more red blobs as you are quick to note other's errors but fail to detail your own lapses...PS I could give a toss re "popularity" and my lack thereof. But I disdain "herd mentality" as evidenced on this thread. This forum should be an open discussion and respectful. FYI...this from a liberal outlet, CNN (which should excite you and Marton!) I try and understand both sides of the argument. Do you? https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/06/p...ion/index.html

Of course, the Dems are desperate to turn the failure away from themselves and blame anybody who is not a Dem official representative. A valuable side benefit is to damage a possible unofficial Presidential candidate.

You bleated on about "innocent until proven guilty" then you claim I embraced Swetnik without a shred of supporting evidence

In fact I have never once posted the name Swetnik in any EF post!!

You are simply trolling for attention!

3Wishes · #**16280** 08.10.2018, 22:21

Avenatti is...ick.

I don't even have a word for how icky he is. I would never choose him as my attorney. However, thanks to Stormy Daniels he's a household name. If you want publicity for your cause, he'll get it.

That said, it doesn't mean that anyone who chooses him is a liar. They're someone who wants/needs to call attention to themselves or the cause.

Thankfully (?) the Ds can now use him as a punching bag, instead of looking introspectively at all they have done wrong in the past few years that have cost them votes. Not that swinging at Avenatti will help them win the mid-terms.

Edit after seeing StirB's post. It is my opinion that Avenattis is icky.