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Old 09.01.2017, 14:21
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The Russian hacking story IS the fake news. The US political establish is simply trying to control damage from all the information revealed about the way they operate. Notice they don't refute the content of the leaks, but rather confirm its authenticity.

Trump didn't win because of Russian hacking. The DNC lost because of Hillary. A lot of Republicans didn't even bother to vote, and lot of Progressive were campaigning against Hillary. Trump was elected by moderate Democrats who chose him over Hillary.

This is the US waking up to and rejecting the bullshit that is our two party political system. This really should ought to be congratulated and celebrated.
Russian hacking is not fake news
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Special Agent Adrian Hawkins of the Federal Bureau of Investigation called the Democratic National Committee in September 2015 to pass along some troubling news about its computer network, he was transferred, naturally, to the help desk.

His message was brief, if alarming. At least one computer system belonging to the D.N.C. had been compromised by hackers federal investigators had named “the Dukes,” a cyberespionage team linked to the Russian government.
Whether the hacking influenced the election or not is a different discussion as is why the Democrats chose to ignore the advice.
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What, like Mike Pence?
Mr. Baldwin could do it.

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Old 09.01.2017, 14:26
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Like Trump never actually did?
No. What he did, and has done on several occasions over the years is actually far, far worse. He mimics body movements that are very specific and clearly identifiable with a small range of physical impairments to enforce the message that someone said something that they are now retracting. Do a youtube search and you will find him using this similar gesture on a number of occasions. In using this gesture in association with people he is describing as weak, he is subliminally mocking them further by associating them with the distinctive movements of people with physical disabilities and in so doing, his prejudicial attitude towards people with these sorts of disabilities is clear.

Giving him the benefit of the doubt in this instance is to accredit far too much thought and consideration to what is clearly such a deep seated prejudice towards those with physical disabilities that he himself is barely aware of it - as is witnessed by his repeated use of these mocking gestures.
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Russian hacking is not fake news


Whether the hacking influenced the election or not is a different discussion as is why the Democrats chose to ignore the advice.
Its subterfuge for the political establishment's political and ideological bankruptcy. Its an attempt for them to carry on business as usual without having learned anything at all.

I see that a vast majority of people buy into mainstream media reporting, and are subject to its mind control and hypnosis. I imagine when events challenge the mainstream narrative, people freak out as if it is the end of their world. Don't worry, its not the end of the world, its just the end of a bullshit narrative.
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I'd like to commend Meryl Streep on her exceptionally brave performance at the Golden Globes last night. If 2016 has taught us anything, it's that actors know what's best for the world.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...h-donald-trump
And the PE took to Twitter yet again, to condemn a celeb... yet again, to commend Murdoch... yet again, whilst also condemning the media... yet again, and he doesn't get the irony of that.

The PE needs to man up and grow a pair or change the record.

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No. What he did, and has done on several occasions over the years is actually far, far worse. He mimics body movements that are very specific and clearly identifiable with a small range of physical impairments to enforce the message that someone said something that they are now retracting. Do a youtube search and you will find him using this similar gesture on a number of occasions. In using this gesture in association with people he is describing as weak, he is subliminally mocking them further by associating them with the distinctive movements of people with physical disabilities and in so doing, his prejudicial attitude towards people with these sorts of disabilities is clear.

Giving him the benefit of the doubt in this instance is to accredit far too much thought and consideration to what is clearly such a deep seated prejudice towards those with physical disabilities that he himself is barely aware of it - as is witnessed by his repeated use of these mocking gestures.


I think the intentions here are not too clear. There is the situation, as you describe, where the subconscious intent is coming out, but there's also the situation where one learns these mannerisms, which out any ill intent, only considering a harmless understanding of the actions. Perhaps the action was learnt from someone with these malicious ideas, but that doesn't mean those ideas are also adopted.


I agree they are not acceptable, and I hope in light of the fallout of these actions, he chooses not to use them any more----only time will tell.


Not too unsimilar to using the slang terms "Duh!" or "That's soo gay". Or even when I returned to work after holidays (with a sick tan), one of my coworkers laughed and continuously refers to me and the n*gger, and variations of it. She's definitely not racist, but did not adopt the racist ideal when adopting the English word.
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Is this President-Elect twit ever going to stop tweeting long enough to actually run the country?
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I think the intentions here are not too clear. There is the situation, as you describe, where the subconscious intent is coming out, but there's also the situation where one learns these mannerisms, which out any ill intent, only considering a harmless understanding of the actions. Perhaps the action was learnt from someone with these malicious ideas, but that doesn't mean those ideas are also adopted.


I agree they are not acceptable, and I hope in light of the fallout of these actions, he chooses not to use them any more----only time will tell.


Not too unsimilar to using the slang terms "Duh!" or "That's soo gay". Or even when I returned to work after holidays (with a sick tan), one of my coworkers laughed and continuously refers to me and the n*gger, and variations of it. She's definitely not racist, but did not adopt the racist ideal when adopting the English word.
I understand what you are saying but I do not think it is the case here. I grew up in 1970s UK where mocking people with these gestures and using words such as "spastic" was fairly common place in the playground - but it was only ever used in a negative sense. He may have learnt this in years gone by when it was a more widely used insult, but it was always an insult. His intentions are all too clear. And someone in such high office with such little self awareness is - err - alarming.

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I understand what you are saying but I do not think it is the case here. I grew up in 1970s UK where mocking people with these gestures and using words such as "spastic" was fairly common place in the playground - but it was only ever used in a negative sense. He may have learnt this in years gone by when it was a more widely used insult, but it was always an insult. His intentions are all too clear. And someone in such high office with such little self awareness is - err - alarming.
Haven't you read his tweet after Meryl Streep speech? This is the kind of "man" he is, do you expect self awareness?

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He may have learnt this in years gone by when it was a more widely used insult, but it was always an insult. His intentions are all too clear.
He has no excuse.

My dad was born in 1931, was ridiculously popular with a wide cross section of friends, but some of the phrases and terms he used in the 1970's were toe-curlingly embarrassing to me and my brother. We used to tell our dad to ask his friends that the term applied to, for their thoughts on the matter, which he always did and changed his language as a result.
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Haven't you read his tweet after Meryl Streep speech? This is the kind of "man" he is, do you expect self awareness?
It was a (poor) attempt at understatement

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It was a (poor) attempt at understatement
Trump does understatements?

I though he believed they're some sort of underwear.
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I though he believed they're some sort of underwear.
No! Good grief.

A (obviously very poor) attempt at understatement on my part - in the hope that understatement would further highlight the awfulness of Trump's attitude/comments.

As I say, clearly a very poor attempt on my part ...
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Is this President-Elect twit ever going to stop tweeting long enough to actually run the country?
I seriously hope not.
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No! Good grief.

A (obviously very poor) attempt at understatement on my part - in the hope that understatement would further highlight the awfulness of Trump's attitude/comments.

As I say, clearly a very poor attempt on my part ...
Hey, don't worry. I understood you perfectly.

Just couldn't resist.
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Hey, don't worry. I understood you perfectly.

Just couldn't resist.
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And the PE took to Twitter yet again, to condemn a celeb... yet again, to commend Murdoch... yet again, whilst also condemning the media... yet again, and he doesn't get the irony of that.

The PE needs to man up and grow a pair or change the record.


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Trump is popular precisely because of his Twitter usage. When David Cameron got accused of fü*king a pigs head, did we all admire him and say "oh, what a statesman" when he wouldn't demean himself by commenting on the story? No, we all laughed at the dish faced pig slammer.

That's half the attraction of Trump, he gives as good as he gets.
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I think this is what worries us / what we have to laugh at Loz.

A statesman wouldn't dignify it with answers (certainly not 140 character answers, that look like they were written by a child in many instances). As much as I also agree that Cameron was a dish faced pig slammer (nice!), he handled it like an adult dish faced pig slammer.
He didn't go on Twitter and tell us all how much of a bad person the reporter was, how unfair the media were reporting it, etc etc.

It's true what they say, discretion is the better part of valo(u)r.
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Is this President-Elect twit ever going to stop tweeting long enough to actually run the country?
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