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This is exactly what I feel in the situation.

Not being a democrat or republican, or aiming to support Trump or discredit Warren, but in this case he called her out on it and I think he was correct (I would have done it differently).

She has DNA structure similar to samples from Mexico/Peru/Colombia, and claimed Cherokee from word of mouth. (Of course the DNA cannot distinguish any specific tribe or region)
I wonder from where you got "Mexico/Peru/Colombia"?

Relevant part of the actual DNA test result

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Trump insults Stormy Daniels as 'Horseface' as case dismissed
He does have a point, she really does look like one.

Odd, as his choice in wives has been pretty good.

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Actually, the opposite is true. The bar to tribal membership is very high.

It's funny, reading their literature, how close their language seems to that of the South African government for the last half of the 20th century. But horses for courses...
High, but not accurate and subjective.

They should welcome DNA tests to sort the wheat from the chaff?
Or to put it another way "it is a wise child that knows his own father".

This is why Jewishness is Matrilineal, they are/were no fools.

Any validation based on Patrilineal descent fails at the first hurdle, hence the value of DNA testing!

Interesting study in Mexico some years ago.
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They should...
Native Americans have enjoyed 500 years of being told "they should..." by people like you.

Time to give it a rest, perhaps?
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High, but not accurate and subjective.

They should welcome DNA tests to sort the wheat from the chaff?
Or to put it another way "it is a wise child that knows his own father".

This is why Jewishness is Matrilineal, they are/were no fools.

Any validation based on Patrilineal descent fails at the first hurdle, hence the value of DNA testing!

Interesting study in Mexico some years ago.
And this from the Boston Herald:

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/col...an_s_fake_math

Marton, you asked earlier how did Warren gain ANYTHING by claiming to be American Indian. Well, she was a professor at UT law school when she decided to change her ancestry from "Caucasian" to "American Indian". Lo and behold UPenn (a top 10 law school in the US) hired her onto their faculty. And later, Harvard, hires her as the first teacher of "color"? (really??)

https://www.boston.com/news/politics...rican-heritage

Warren benefited greatly by putting forth her family tree/racial background as Native American as those underprivileged in the US, are given special consideration/advantage when applying to universities so they/universities can enhance their demographic (which helps their ranking in the US college ratings). The same would be true of those Law Schools employing "underprivileged" candidates to positions in their faculty. Hence why, Harvard described Warren as a their first teacher of "color".

This Native American claim is ridiculous frankly. The Boston Globe had the math wrong and from what I have read, more Americans in Europe have a higher percentage of Native American ancestry in their DNA than Warren.

Between Hilary and Warren, the Dems are self destructing. Why did she bring this up now..so close to the midterms? A miscalculation on all levels and not helping their effort!
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Native Americans have enjoyed 500 years of being told "they should..." by people like you.

Time to give it a rest, perhaps?
You would think that after 500 years they would have started to get it right?

Anyway I have not been around for 500 years (although sometimes it feels like it!) so set your mind at rest.

I appreciate you not wasting my time with specious counter arguments
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Old 16.10.2018, 21:03
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And this from the Boston Herald:

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/col...an_s_fake_math

Marton, you asked earlier how did Warren gain ANYTHING by claiming to be American Indian. Well, she was a professor at UT law school when she decided to change her ancestry from "Caucasian" to "American Indian". Lo and behold UPenn (a top 10 law school in the US) hired her onto their faculty. And later, Harvard, hires her as the first teacher of "color"? (really??)

https://www.boston.com/news/politics...rican-heritage

Warren benefited greatly by putting forth her family tree/racial background as Native American as those underprivileged in the US, are given special consideration/advantage when applying to universities so they/universities can enhance their demographic (which helps their ranking in the US college ratings). The same would be true of those Law Schools employing "underprivileged" candidates to positions in their faculty. Hence why, Harvard described Warren as a their first teacher of "color".

This Native American claim is ridiculous frankly. The Boston Globe had the math wrong and from what I have read, more Americans in Europe have a higher percentage of Native American ancestry in their DNA than Warren.

Between Hilary and Warren, the Dems are self destructing. Why did she bring this up now..so close to the midterms? A miscalculation on all levels and not helping their effort!
Actually the Boston Globe fact checking article here completely destroys your false claims so no need for me to add anything.

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her major professional advances — to the University of Pennsylvania and then to Harvard — came after she began formally identifying as Native American, a distant descendant of Cherokee and Delaware tribes.
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And this from the Boston Herald:

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/col...an_s_fake_math

Marton, you asked earlier how did Warren gain ANYTHING by claiming to be American Indian. Well, she was a professor at UT law school when she decided to change her ancestry from "Caucasian" to "American Indian". Lo and behold UPenn (a top 10 law school in the US) hired her onto their faculty. And later, Harvard, hires her as the first teacher of "color"? (really??)

https://www.boston.com/news/politics...rican-heritage

Warren benefited greatly by putting forth her family tree/racial background as Native American as those underprivileged in the US, are given special consideration/advantage when applying to universities so they/universities can enhance their demographic (which helps their ranking in the US college ratings). The same would be true of those Law Schools employing "underprivileged" candidates to positions in their faculty. Hence why, Harvard described Warren as a their first teacher of "color".

This Native American claim is ridiculous frankly. The Boston Globe had the math wrong and from what I have read, more Americans in Europe have a higher percentage of Native American ancestry in their DNA than Warren.

Between Hilary and Warren, the Dems are self destructing. Why did she bring this up now..so close to the midterms? A miscalculation on all levels and not helping their effort!
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Actually the Boston Globe fact checking article here completely destroys your false claims so no need for me to add anything.
Oops, embarrassing.
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Stormy for President!

Trump's '60 minutes' interview draws fewer viewers than Stormy Daniels's

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Sad state of affairs in the US when an exPorn star draws many more viewers that the President.
I suppose they really do deserve Trump?
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Oops, embarrassing.
Nope:

"In the most exhaustive review undertaken of Elizabeth Warren’s professional history, the Globe found clear evidence, in documents and interviews, that her claim to Native American ethnicity was never considered by the Harvard Law faculty, which voted resoundingly to hire her, or by those who hired her to four prior positions at other law schools. At every step of her remarkable rise in the legal profession, the people responsible for hiring her saw her as a white woman. "

Whether it made a difference or not, SHE STLL CLAIMED IT!

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He does have a point, she really does look like one.

Odd, as his choice in wives has been pretty good.

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Nope:

"In the most exhaustive review undertaken of Elizabeth Warren’s professional history, the Globe found clear evidence, in documents and interviews, that her claim to Native American ethnicity was never considered by the Harvard Law faculty, which voted resoundingly to hire her, or by those who hired her to four prior positions at other law schools. At every step of her remarkable rise in the legal profession, the people responsible for hiring her saw her as a white woman. "

Whether it made a difference or not, SHE STLL CLAIMED IT!

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She claimed it later

Think of a clock?

Lunchtime is at 12 midday.

Afternoon tea is at 4pm, you enjoy that after lunch - not before.
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Nope:

"In the most exhaustive review undertaken of Elizabeth Warren’s professional history, the Globe found clear evidence, in documents and interviews, that her claim to Native American ethnicity was never considered by the Harvard Law faculty, which voted resoundingly to hire her, or by those who hired her to four prior positions at other law schools. At every step of her remarkable rise in the legal profession, the people responsible for hiring her saw her as a white woman. "

Whether it made a difference or not, SHE STLL CLAIMED IT!

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Not really, as Terri and others have claimed it helped her professionally, then it has been proven they fibbed and that it wasn't even considered during the said job applications. That's the embarrassing part, trying to make someone else looking foolish whilst being proven to be a fool yourself.
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Actually the Boston Globe fact checking article here completely destroys your false claims so no need for me to add anything.

Your link did not work Marton but here is another link via Snoopes:

The legitimacy of Warren’s claims to Native American heritage has certainly been challenged by many critics, and it is true that while Warren was at U. Penn. Law School she put herself on the “Minority Law Teacher” list as Native American) in the faculty directory of the Association of American Law Schools, and that Harvard Law School at one time promoted Warren as a Native American faculty member. But specific evidence that she gained her position at Harvard (at least in part) through her claims to Native American heritage is lacking. Warren denied applying for special consideration as a person of Native American heritage during her career, and when the matter was examined in 2012 in response to Brown’s claims, people with whom Warren had worked similarly denied her ancestral background’s factoring into the professional opportunities afforded her:

Perhaps you need to review your facts???
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There is no specific "proof" that she benefited professionally...but please do the math! Why would she change her ethnic background if not to benefit?
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Indeed.

Generally, it means being at least 1/32 (5th generation max) Indian blood.

Native Americans will also generally insist that you have a know ancestor.

"My great great great grandmother claims that she screwed some Indian dude 400 years ago" doesn't quite cut it.

I also have high cheekbones, and am from New England, maybe granny screwed one of MY ancestors!

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Not true for the Cherokee, they have no minimum blood (quantum) requirement.

From the same source, strangely many official Cherokees are of African American descent!
This is due to the number of freed slaves who joined the Cherokee Nation. There was some resistance but after various legal actions they were eventually fully accepted; they were known as the Cherokee Freedmen.
No wonder DNA testing is complex

If Tom has any freed slaves in his ancestry then maybe he really is Cherokee!!
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Not really, as Terri and others have claimed it helped her professionally, then it has been proven they fibbed and that it wasn't even considered during the said job applications. That's the embarrassing part, trying to make someone else looking foolish whilst being proven to be a fool yourself.
Sorry STIRB, but how exactly do you know that her "supposed" ethnic background was not a consideration in her employment by both UPenn and Harvard? Were you on the hiring committee at both schools?
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Your link did not work Marton but here is another link via Snoopes:

The legitimacy of Warren’s claims to Native American heritage has certainly been challenged by many critics, and it is true that while Warren was at U. Penn. Law School she put herself on the “Minority Law Teacher” list as Native American) in the faculty directory of the Association of American Law Schools, and that Harvard Law School at one time promoted Warren as a Native American faculty member. But specific evidence that she gained her position at Harvard (at least in part) through her claims to Native American heritage is lacking. Warren denied applying for special consideration as a person of Native American heritage during her career, and when the matter was examined in 2012 in response to Brown’s claims, people with whom Warren had worked similarly denied her ancestral background’s factoring into the professional opportunities afforded her:

Perhaps you need to review your facts???
Link works fine for me, both in the original and in your quote.

No need to review my facts, I stay with them as in your quote above "specific evidence that she gained her position at Harvard (at least in part) through her claims to Native American heritage is lacking".
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Sorry STIRB, but how exactly do you know that her "supposed" ethnic background was not a consideration in her employment by both UPenn and Harvard? Were you on the hiring committee at both schools?
Because she only claimed her "supposed" ethnic background some years after her employment by both UPenn and Harvard

Maybe the review committees had a time machine to look at her future claims?
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For the record, the Boston Globe got the math wrong...So why would I believe their statement regarding the other references that Warren received her law school employments but they just happened overlooked her ethnicity. How naive are you exactly??
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