Will Trump be a Good President? - Page 833

Chemmie · #**16641** 17.10.2018, 16:31

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	Wikipedia: Johnny Depp - Claims of Native American ancestry "In 2013, Depp's genealogy was analyzed by third-party researchers at Ancestry.com, who discovered the ancestors he believed to be Native American were in fact African-American. Despite this discovery, Depp continued to claim or imply he was Native American."

Wow interesting find. Similar boat to Warren I guess, but at least now he can take on the African-American roles and use the N-bomb :P

marton · #**16642** 17.10.2018, 16:55

	Quote:	Urs Max
	What has Warren done to earn such an honor?

It is not what has she done but what could she do, a US Senator is a very powerful advocate?

marton · #**16643** 17.10.2018, 17:00

	Quote:	greenmount
	So she got upset and decided not to raise a finger for improving her people's condition....what is she, 4 y.o. or smth.? Btw, she does look a bit the opportunistic type to me - she was republican till '96 and then switched to the other camp...I don't know about others but I, for one, have a negative opinion of politicians like that.

I also have a negative opinion of such politicians.

Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987 and since that time has changed his party affiliation five times.
In 1999, Trump changed his party affiliation to the Independence Party of New York.
In August 2001, Trump changed his party affiliation to Democratic.
In September 2009, Trump changed his party affiliation back to the Republican Party.
In December 2011, Trump changed to "no party affiliation" (independent).
In April 2012, Trump again returned to the Republican Party.

Source

greenmount · #**16644** 17.10.2018, 17:03

	Quote:	Chemmie
	Wow interesting find. Similar boat to Warren I guess, but at least now he can take on the African-American roles and use the N-bomb :P

He didn't fool me a moment, but I could have sworn that Keanu Reeves was pure Indian "blood" (well, at least a significant percentage)...apparently, not! Another myth busted ...and another one, Steven Seagal

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	Steven Frederic Seagal was born in Lansing, Michigan on April 10, 1952,[10] the son of medical technician Patricia (1930–2003) and high-school math teacher Samuel Seagal (1928–1991).[11] His mother was of Dutch, English, and German ancestry, while his paternal grandparents were Russian Jews who immigrated to the U.S.[12] He is also said to have Mongol heritage.

#**16645** 17.10.2018, 17:04

	Quote:	greenmount
	Btw, she does look a bit the opportunistic type to me - she was republican till '96 and then switched to the other camp...I don't know about others but I, for one, have a negative opinion of politicians like that.

I’m not a big fan of her for other reasons, and she has her share of negatives, but changing party? That’s way down on the negative scale, unless she did it every few years. In the US, if you’re not opportunistic, you won’t go far...every politician is aggressive and opportunistic. Has to be.

marton · #**16646** 17.10.2018, 17:06

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	Wikipedia: Johnny Depp - Claims of Native American ancestry "In 2013, Depp's genealogy was analyzed by third-party researchers at Ancestry.com, who discovered the ancestors he believed to be Native American were in fact African-American. Despite this discovery, Depp continued to claim or imply he was Native American."

After the Civil War the Comanches freed their slaves and eventually granted Freedmen full citizenship in their tribe. So African American ancestors did not necessarily rule him out.

Source

Of course, playing Tonto was his best move

amogles · #**16647** 17.10.2018, 17:08

	Quote:	greenmount
	I guess this is typical for how Trump regards himself - grand, luminous, beautiful, compared to the other presidents. The other ones are somehow pale figures that only preceded the light that was to come....I think it's funny, although not a totally bad painting - artistically. I'm sure it's enormous in size too.

Actually, my reading of the painting was the opposite.

Raegan and Nixon seem to have exchanged some joke and the others are laughing along to varying degrees. And Trump is sitting in the middle of it all and smiling because it's so cool he's one of the presidents now, but the joke seems to have gone straight past him.

#**16648** 17.10.2018, 17:09

	Quote:	greenmount
	He didn't fool me a moment, but I could have sworn that Keanu Reeves was poor Indian "blood" (well, at least a significant percentage)...apparently, not! Another myth busted ...

Reeves has some Asian and Hawaiian ancestry iirc, plus I guess some regular old white stuff. I am really not up on this but is Hawaiian considered indigenous?

st2lemans · #**16649** 17.10.2018, 17:26

	Quote:	marton
	The math is not relevant, the Cherokee have no minimum blood (quantum) requirement.

	Quote:	Castro
	Just when you thought he couldn't sink any lower Trump insults Stormy Daniels as 'Horseface' as case dismissed

He probable could spell "whore's face".

Tom

marton · #**16650** 17.10.2018, 17:30

	Quote:
	I’m not a big fan of her for other reasons, and she has her share of negatives, but changing party? That’s way down on the negative scale, unless she did it every few years. In the US, if you’re not opportunistic, you won’t go far...every politician is aggressive and opportunistic. Has to be.

Thinking about it, you have a good point.

Parties change their policies over time and may no longer be promoting what you support.

I mean suppose you joined the GOP because they claimed to be the party of fiscal prudence but now they increased the deficit by almost a $trillion in the last fiscal year. Then you might want to reconsider?

greenmount · #**16651** 17.10.2018, 17:33

	Quote:
	Reeves has some Asian and Hawaiian ancestry iirc, plus I guess some regular old white stuff. I am really not up on this but is Hawaiian considered indigenous?

I don't know if Hawaiian is included in the native American or other category. But at least he could be very credible when he played certain roles. He was credible playing some Cherokee guy.

Urs Max · #**16652** 17.10.2018, 17:34

	Quote:	marton
	It is not what has she done but what could she do, a US Senator is a very powerful advocate?

And that should be reason to "nationalse" her preemptively? Now there's some logic!

Can't wait for your suggestion for the Natives to "nationalise" (if that's the term) everybody famous, rich, or powerful because they all could one day decide to be helpful.

#**16653** 17.10.2018, 17:37

	Quote:	st2lemans
	He probable could spell "whore's face". Tom

That's actually hilarious in an uncomfortably tragic close-to-the-truth kind of a way.

marton · #**16654** 17.10.2018, 17:48

	Quote:	Urs Max
	And that should be reason to "nationalse" her preemptively? Now there's some logic! Can't wait for your suggestion for the Natives to "nationalise" (if that's the term) everybody famous, rich, or powerful because they all could one day decide to be helpful.

You know in US politics they spend a lot of time and many millions lobbying Senators; the Cherokee Nation could have had this important influence for practically nothing.

greenmount · #**16655** 17.10.2018, 19:29

	Quote:	Urs Max
	And that should be reason to "nationalse" her preemptively? Now there's some logic! Can't wait for your suggestion for the Natives to "nationalise" (if that's the term) everybody famous, rich, or powerful because they all could one day decide to be helpful.

Well, if it's helping their communities why not. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't really have much importance anyway.

FunnyBone · #**16656** 17.10.2018, 20:29

	Quote:
	Reeves has some Asian and Hawaiian ancestry iirc, plus I guess some regular old white stuff. I am really not up on this but is Hawaiian considered indigenous?

Native Hawaiians are of Polynesian descent, and it is a tribe still in the fight for recognition and benefits afforded to tribes in the mainland US. Obama did some work to close that gap.

Urs Max · #**16657** 17.10.2018, 23:13

	Quote:	marton
	You know in US politics they spend a lot of time and many millions lobbying Senators; the Cherokee Nation could have had this important influence for practically nothing.

You lobby where you see an opportunity to influence. To that end you need to gain access, which she kept refusing.

You're putting the cart before the horse.

greenmount · #**16658** 18.10.2018, 06:19

	Quote:	Urs Max
	You lobby where you see an opportunity to influence. To that end you need to gain access, which she kept refusing. You're putting the cart before the horse.

Ahhhh, it's complicated. Maybe she angered some people but others are kind of OK with her endeavours.

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	Warren was clearly trying to put the question of her Native American heritage to rest, but in doing so, she may have opened up new lines of attack that Trump and other critics can use. The president and Republicans have focused much more on Warren’s claims of Native American heritage than they have on her sweeping policy proposals to clean up corruption in Washington, lower the cost of housing, and hold corporations more accountable. By taking the test, Warren appears to have angered at least one prominent tribe. Rather than settling the speculation by responding to Trump’s challenge, she’s prompted an entirely new argument about whether she should have taken the test at all. The National Indigenous Women’s Resource Center — an organization raising awareness about violence toward Native American women and families, and the charity Warren requested Trump donate $1 million to as part of his bet about her DNA test — defended the senator on Monday. “We appreciate Senator Warren’s push to bring awareness to violence against American Indian and Alaska Native women and families, who all too often are invisible to most Americans,” the center said in a statement. “As marginalized communities, we often struggle to bring tribal interests to the center of the debate.” Warren and her allies are trying to steer the focus back to policy rather than a continued focus on her heritage. But the statements from the Cherokee Nation and Trump suggest the issue won’t go away so easily.

https://www.vox.com/2018/10/16/17983...e-nation-trump

Anyways, her possibly native American heritage shouldn't have played any role in her career, that should have no place if you represent people from a certain state, region etc. She should have focused to improve things for the Cherokees as much as for the struggling "white trash" (aka poor white people, but I used a favourite expression of some EFers) or black folks. Seriously, I can't agree with their racialist approach. The whole discussion was ridiculous, whether she does have some native American heritage down the line or not. Probably lots of Americans have it and they don't take any advantage from it or trumpet it. Trump himself made the whole matter even more painful and unnecessary, but it was expected from him not to miss any opportunity for some circus.

#**16659** 18.10.2018, 07:32

The last sentence of your quote - trying to steer back to policy - that’s it really. Trump and his ilk are really masters of distraction. So yeah, call her names, goad her. I agree, it probably was silly for her to take the test and make the bet because it’s clear Trump weasels out of everything. She’s not spotless either, but this nonsense really devalues her efforts, some of which have been useful.

Can’t have policy any more though. Just name calling and puffery.

marton · #**16660** 18.10.2018, 09:25

	Quote:	Urs Max
	You lobby where you see an opportunity to influence. To that end you need to gain access, which she kept refusing. You're putting the cart before the horse.

I am sure if the Cherokee Nation had called Warren and said "we want to meet to discuss making you an honorary Cherokee" she would have immediately refused the meeting.

Anyway if you think it is an honour then read this, the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians said it gave Ward Churchill an "honorary associate membership" because he promised to write a tribal history.