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Ahhhh, it's complicated. Maybe she angered some people but others are kind of OK with her endeavours.
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For years, when I was the culture editor at Indian Country Today Media Network, we requested interviews with Warren, but not once did she accept our numerous invitations for comment or explanation regarding her alleged ancestry. She simply ignored us.

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I just gave you an example, although I admit it came a little too late and after she was pressed by Trump. Anyway, it's absurd. The oldest inhabitants of that country are struggling with problems no-one, no-one wants to tackle. From the links within DB's link

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Sexual violence against Indigenous women in the USA is widespread. According to US government statistics, Native American and Alaska Native women are more than 2.5 times more likely to be raped or sexually assaulted than other women in the USA. Some Indigenous women interviewed by Amnesty International said they didn't know anyone in their community who had not experienced sexual violence. Though rape is always an act of violence, there is evidence that Indigenous women are more likely than other women to suffer additional violence at the hands of their attackers. According to the US Department of Justice, in at least 86 per cent of the reported cases of rape or sexual assault against American Indian and Alaska Native women, survivors report that the perpetrators are non-Native men.

Sexual violence against Indigenous women is the result of a number of factors and continues a history of widespread human rights abuses against Indigenous peoples in the USA. Historically, Indigenous women were raped by settlers and soldiers, including during the Trail of Tears and the Long Walk. Such attacks were not random or individual; they were tools of conquest and colonization. The attitudes towards Indigenous peoples that underpin such human rights abuses continue to be present in in the USA today. They contribute to the present high rates of sexual violence perpetrated against Indigenous women and help to shield their attackers from justice. They also reflect a broader societal norm that devalues women and girls and creates power dynamics that enable sexual violence against women of all backgrounds.
Discussing stereotypes about native American women

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Native American women are frequently sexually objectified and are often stereotyped as being promiscuous. Such misconceptions lead to murder, rape and violence against Native American women and girls by non-Native men.[13]

An Algonquin word, the term "squaw" is now widely deemed offensive due to its use for hundreds of years in a derogatory context. However, there remains more than a thousand locations in the U.S. that incorporate the term in its name.[5]
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Too late and too little

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The National Indigenous Women’s Resource Center — an organization raising awareness about violence toward Native American women and families, and the charity Warren requested Trump donate $1 million to as part of his bet about her DNA test — defended the senator on Monday.


“We appreciate Senator Warren’s push to bring awareness to violence against American Indian and Alaska Native women and families, who all too often are invisible to most Americans,” the center said in a statement. “As marginalized communities, we often struggle to bring tribal interests to the center of the debate.”
https://www.vox.com/2018/10/16/17983...e-nation-trump

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Seems to me that we had a little discussion last year about the appropriateness of the word squaw. Interesting.

At any rate, if Elizabeth Warren was truly invested in her First Nations heritage, she would have been doing things to raise the profile of her people all along. It's really very disappointing , and I say this as someone leaning far left and who would really like to see more strong female candidates for US leadership roles.
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Seems to me that we had a little discussion last year about the appropriateness of the word squaw. Interesting.

At any rate, if Elizabeth Warren was truly invested in her First Nations heritage, she would have been doing things to raise the profile of her people all along. It's really very disappointing , and I say this as someone leaning far left and who would really like to see more strong female candidates for US leadership roles.
If recent elections have told us anything, it's that you don't have to have anything in common with your candidate or their policies to vote for them, and things antithetical to your worldview need not dissuade you from such a candidate.

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Trump now getting desperate for votes, from a tweet today

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ask Mexico to stop this onslaught - and if unable to do so I will call up the U.S. Military and CLOSE OUR SOUTHERN BORDER!..
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I am sure if the Cherokee Nation had called Warren and said "we want to meet to discuss making you an honorary Cherokee" she would have immediately refused the meeting.

Anyway if you think it is an honour then read this, the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians said it gave Ward Churchill an "honorary associate membership" because he promised to write a tribal history.
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His [Churchill's] public statements that he was a member of the UKB [United Ketwoah Band of Cherokee] created controversy, because Churchill failed to distinguish tribal enrollment from honorary associate membership [as does our marton].
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Churchill does not possess an issued Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood (CDIB); he is not eligible for any federal benefits reserved for Native Americans.
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You may remember Keystone XL and its feeder Dakota Access Pipeline (DAP). In spring 2016 Obama had work on the DAP start. After massive protests, in part because it runs across land the Natives consider holy as it's burial ground of their ancestors, the US Army Corps of Engineers stopped work (in summer probably) to conduct a study on the pipeline's impact. Late in the year, perhaps in December, they resumed work. When they did, Warren issued a statement on the issue. She couldn't be arsed to react earlier, certainly not when the rubber bullets were flying, so here's how people reacted - yet another case of "too little, too late".

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Seems to me that we had a little discussion last year about the appropriateness of the word squaw. Interesting.

At any rate, if Elizabeth Warren was truly invested in her First Nations heritage, she would have been doing things to raise the profile of her people all along. It's really very disappointing , and I say this as someone leaning far left and who would really like to see more strong female candidates for US leadership roles.
Absolutely true, but I don't think her personal investment went further then presenting herself in an allegedly more interesting...light. Maybe I'm a bit judgemental now.
Sigh, yes, I remember that discussion. IMO it was one of the many misunderstandings due to cultural differences. For someone who had no idea how offensive the word is it probably sounded "cute", almost like an endearment term (don't we love Karl May...btw, I understand where MC is coming from). It wasn't the first heated debate in pure EF style on what is considered appropriate and what is not....maybe someday we'll all learn a bit more about each other.

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yet another case of "too little, too late".
Totally agree with you, Urs. What a pity. In the end it doesn't matter who's helping whom, whether is an allegedly American Indian senator or not, it seems some people's voices and problems are never heard.
The thread's title still makes me chuckle "Will Trump be a Good President?"...no, a good president is the one who looks after and represents all ethnicities, social groups etc. Even those who didn't vote for him.

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The last sentence of your quote - trying to steer back to policy - that’s it really. Trump and his ilk are really masters of distraction.
Most of them are. The democrats are doing the same when they have the opportunity. I always had a vague suspicion that behind all this circus most politicians are actually good friends...dog does not eat dog.

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Dogs do eat dogs- for sure.
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Sen. Bob Menendez (D) is holding onto his lead in the New Jersey Senate race.
The poll found Menendez with a 49 percent to 40 percent lead over his Republican opponent Bob Hugin, a self-funding retired pharmaceutical CEO.

Forty-five percent of those polled reported unfavorable views of Menendez but 64 percent said his crimes are "about the same as what most other politicians do."

A majority of voters polled said their views of Trump are more important than their views of Menendez when it comes to their vote in the upcoming elections.
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I hope so, Odile, I hope so...I'm kind of a very cynical person lately.
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I always had a vague suspicion that behind all this circus most politicians are actually good friends...dog does not eat dog.
You only need to see them schmoozing with each other the moment they're out of office to see that in action. They're all on the same side - with the rest of us on the other side.

Trump is just more open in his expression of contempt for the plebs - but they all have it, even smooth Mr President Mic-Drop.
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Trump now getting desperate for votes, from a tweet today

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ask Mexico to stop this onslaught - and if unable to do so I will call up the U.S. Military and CLOSE OUR SOUTHERN BORDER!..
Probably neither practical nor legal
Clever response from Mexico, hope it does not start a "Merkel" stampede

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You only need to see them schmoozing with each other the moment they're out of office to see that in action. They're all on the same side - with the rest of us on the other side.

Trump is just more open in his expression of contempt for the plebs - but they all have it, even smooth Mr President Mic-Drop.
Similar to footballers!

Their fans are fighting in the streets while the actual footballers are partying together and transferring from team to team!
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Similar to footballers!

Their fans are fighting in the streets while the actual footballers are partying together and transferring from team to team!
That is a wonderful analogy. I might have to use that myself sometime!
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One has to realize the true culture of the USA: the American dream, the idea that we are all independent and in charge of our own destiny. The country was founded on thousands of Europeans attempting this.

Since then, this has manifested in mass over hyped media, the strongest (weirdest?) pilgrims made their way as far west as possible, and thus we have Hollywood.

The mecca of movies and all sorts of extreme depictions of reality which we (really the whole world) gobbles up, to have that feeling of true independence and selfworth and affirmation that 'I' am right, and 'the bad guy' is wrong.

The popular modern disapproval of the US didn't start because of government policy, in my opinion it started with the Michael Moore's 'documentaries'. Taking real issues, cutting and pasting 'shocking' clips manipulated to tell his story, and hollywood formatting it for the masses.

Suddenly it is OK and hip to hate George Bush Jr. and all of the American Politics (which to those in the know have been going on for decades, and will continue). Without making it mass media friendly, the majority really wouldn't care. (Goes straight into Reality TV and the election of Trump--but that's another topic).

And of course now we see Michelle Obama and George Bush Jr. best of buddies and loving memes.

Things won't change quickly, but at least Trump has become a reason to bring a lot of people's interest in politics---even if it's just so they finally have an enemy they can all agree on.

Just my opinion, but either way.
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One has to realize the true culture of the USA: the American dream, the idea that we are all independent and in charge of our own destiny. The country was founded on thousands of Europeans attempting this.

Since then, this has manifested in mass over hyped media, the strongest (weirdest?) pilgrims made their way as far west as possible, and thus we have Hollywood.

The mecca of movies and all sorts of extreme depictions of reality which we (really the whole world) gobbles up, to have that feeling of true independence and selfworth and affirmation that 'I' am right, and 'the bad guy' is wrong.

The popular modern disapproval of the US didn't start because of government policy, in my opinion it started with the Michael Moore's 'documentaries'. Taking real issues, cutting and pasting 'shocking' clips manipulated to tell his story, and hollywood formatting it for the masses.

Suddenly it is OK and hip to hate George Bush Jr. and all of the American Politics (which to those in the know have been going on for decades, and will continue). Without making it mass media friendly, the majority really wouldn't care. (Goes straight into Reality TV and the election of Trump--but that's another topic).

And of course now we see Michelle Obama and George Bush Jr. best of buddies and loving memes.

Things won't change quickly, but at least Trump has become a reason to bring a lot of people's interest in politics---even if it's just so they finally have an enemy they can all agree on.

Just my opinion, but either way.
The disaaproval you speak of started earlier than this, I believe. It was certainly there around Viet Nam. You give Michael Moore too much credit. But certainly the 24 hour news cycle, corporatization and shrinkage of news media as well as reality tv have helped accelerate a general lack of satisfaction. and an increase of cynicism. But that cynicism has been around since well before Viet Nam - look at films like Mr Smith Goes to Washington - cronyism extreme. I think the cynicism is endemic.
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Washington Post reporter Glenn Kessler on Thursday accused the media of misinterpreting the results of Sen. Elizabeth Warren's (D-Mass.) DNA test this week

According to the report, Kessler writes, Warren had 10 times more Native American ancestry than a reference set from Utah and 12 times more than a set from Britain.

"The report also said that the long segment on Chromosome 10 indicated that the DNA came from a relatively recent ancestor

"It turns out reporters and politicians are not very good at understanding genetics"
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Weird place the White House
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President Trump on Tuesday confirmed that Washington, D.C., lawyer Pat Cipollone will soon take over as White House counsel.

Trump in an interview with The Associated Press said that Cipollone will replace current White House counsel Don McGahn, who has been expected to leave his position this fall.
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Emmet Flood steps in as White House counsel following McGahn departure
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I suppose 48 hours is a long time; no, no chaos at all!
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For those who believe Trump is acting strangely

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President Donald Trump tweeted a video out on Thursday afternoon that depicts money handed out to a large group of people in a Spanish-speaking country, with the cryptic and ominous caption: “Can you believe this, and what Democrats are allowing to be done to our Country?”

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses...13864244219904
Who?, what?, where?

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WOW!

This is terrifying!

Brown people standing in line speaking some bizarre non English language!

Please safe us President Orange!
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