Will Trump be a Good President? - Page 839

omtatsat · #**16761** 27.10.2018, 18:45

	Quote:	st2lemans
	The only admirable US president in my lifetime was Ike. Tom

Honest Abe is my favorite

#**16762** 27.10.2018, 18:50

	Quote:	st2lemans
	In short, business as usual. Tom

No. Sorry but I disagree. To suggest business as usual normalizes the disruption and disarray in the US government. I mean yeah it’s been bad, but I really do believe it’s worse under the current administration.

#**16763** 27.10.2018, 18:50

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	Why does the bomber have to have serious mental issues? Maybe he is just an angry jerk. Is that a mental issue? I think we play the mental issue/illness card too freely and add to misunderstandings about mental illnesses and increase stigma of the same. Some people just suck, are nasty and are predisposed to violence.

How could it not be a mental issue? there must be something seriously wrong in your head when you do something. Anger doesn't explain it.

greenmount · #**16764** 27.10.2018, 18:51

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	I'd say sending a dozen people a device in the post, designed to kill them and their families goes beyond "angry jerk". An angry jerk would punch someone in a bar, someone who methodically assembles possibly scores of explosive devices then posts them to political enemies is clearly deranged.

It's funny, I would have called him a sociopath but psychiatrists don't like this vague definition. Apparently it's called antisocial personality disorder.

omtatsat · #**16765** 27.10.2018, 18:54

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	No. Sorry but I disagree. To suggest business as usual normalizes the disruption and disarray in the US government. I mean yeah it’s been bad, but I really do believe it’s worse under the current administration.

Let us just hope Robert Di Niro runs for president. Sure to win

greenmount · #**16766** 27.10.2018, 18:58

	Quote:	omtatsat
	Let us just hope Robert Di Niro runs for president. Sure to win

Why not a career politician? Why not someone who knows the laws, the protocols etc. But probably this is derogatory....

omtatsat · #**16767** 27.10.2018, 19:08

	Quote:	greenmount
	Why not a career politician? Why not someone who knows the laws, the protocols etc. But probably this is derogatory....

Well 99% of career politicians are corrupt

st2lemans · #**16768** 27.10.2018, 19:10

	Quote:	omtatsat
	Honest Abe is my favorite

You were alive 150+ years ago?

Tom

omtatsat · #**16769** 27.10.2018, 20:31

	Quote:	st2lemans
	You were alive 150+ years ago? Tom

not one from my time

#**16770** 27.10.2018, 20:41

	Quote:	k_and_e
	How could it not be a mental issue? there must be something seriously wrong in your head when you do something. Anger doesn't explain it.

Ok, so the guys who flew airplanes into the World Trade Center, etc - were they mentally ill? Is the requirement for a terrorist mental illness? Obsession, yes, but that's not necessarily a mental illness. Neither is Sociopathy - which suggests a lack of integration, but not necessarily a mental illness.

This event is motivated by anger and politics. Not mental illness. It's domestic terrorism. It's different. Why is it that the mental illness theory is more available to you in memory than the politically motivated terrorist? Because that's what is filtered down and presented in the media via political groups. That's the easy explanation.

Two problems with it - it's a lazy explanation. How many of these people are convicted on the basis of mental disease and defect? Think about McVeigh - the Oklahoma city bombing. Was he mentally ill?

The second problem is the marginalization of people with mental illnesses.

But if any of you are experienced in psychiatric diagnoses, then please, show me I am wrong. I'm interested to learn.

omtatsat · #**16771** 27.10.2018, 20:55

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	It's a fair point, well made. When he was elected I read all the analysis, disaffected underclass, politically marginalised, ignored by the elites, blah blah, yup it all made sense. Probably a much needed wake-up call for US politics. But here we are, scandal after scandal, ignorance piled on ignorance, lie upon easily disprovable lie, billionaires lining their pockets at the expense of their base who can't see they are being fleeced. Michael Moore commented in an interview recently that if you are still supporting trump after all thats happened you are lost, theres no reaching you. Thats how I feel, to quote an (American) friend "America is over". All I can do is grab the popcorn and watch the show, well I also carefully checked my wife's gigantic ballot paper, but mostly it's just popcorn and laughing(manically sometimes) at the absurdity.

Long live the USA-was nice while it lasted!

Blueangel · #**16772** 27.10.2018, 21:01

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	An angry jerk would punch someone in a bar, someone who methodically assembles possibly scores of explosive devices then posts them to political enemies is clearly deranged.

We'll have to agree to differ on this. I see it as calm, premeditated, carefully planned and methodical. It's the antithesis of deranged.

Was it marton who pointed out that the stamps used were a limited edition from the 'patriots collection'? That's not the action of a deranged mind. That's a jibe from a narcissistic, glory hunter. It's his 'signature'. Any potential copycat would have to go to a lot of effort to exactly mimic these acts. Everything that we know about the suspect at this point in time screams that he's a narcissist with a temper.

rainer_d · #**16773** 27.10.2018, 21:05

	Quote:	marton
	Source There was never any proof that classified Hillary’s emails were read by foreign powers but it seems that Trump's phone calls are widely available!

The thing is: DC is full of IMSI catchers (google Washington DC imsi catcher). If you use a normal phone (any phone, doesn't need to be an iPhone) chances are your call is being routed through any one of the large number of them deployed around DC.
Because some of them might be deployed by a US 3-letter-agency trying to listen in on calls by foreign operatives (and said 3-letter-agencies don't want to tell anyone where and when they are operating), efforts by the FCC and Congress to clean those up aren't getting any real traction.

So, technically nobody has been caught listening to Trump's phone-calls directly or bugging his phone - but it's really a technicality at this point.

Trump's "secure" phones only have WiFi - but they are managed by some MDM and he can't install apps on them. They are also supposed to be dumped after a month, but due to the "inconvenience" this means to him, that is also not thoroughly followed through....

st2lemans · #**16774** 27.10.2018, 22:31

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	Ok, so the guys who flew airplanes into the World Trade Center, etc - were they mentally ill?

Yes.

Tom

#**16775** 27.10.2018, 22:41

	Quote:
	Ok, so the guys who flew airplanes into the World Trade Center, etc - were they mentally ill?

They killed themselves and 3000 other people, as they believed it would please their Great Sky Fairy - what do you think?

#**16776** 27.10.2018, 22:55

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	They killed themselves and 3000 other people, as they believed it would please their Great Sky Fairy - what do you think?

So religious people are mentally ill?

st2lemans · #**16777** 27.10.2018, 23:17

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	So religious people are mentally ill?

A lot of them, for sure.

Why else believe that rubbish?

Tom

Blueangel · #**16778** 27.10.2018, 23:27

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	They killed themselves and 3000 other people, as they believed it would please their Great Sky Fairy - what do you think?

So you believe it was an act of faith and not a terrorist act, or an act of war?

marton · #**16779** 27.10.2018, 23:35

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	Obama takes jab at Trump: ‘Nobody in my administration got indicted’

Source

Former President Barack Obama made a thinly veiled jab at President Donald Trump on Friday evening, saying it was wrong to use a position of power for attacking others as "enemies of the people and then suddenly pretending that you're concerned about civility."

"I would like to think that everybody in America would think it's wrong to spend all your time from a position of power vilifying people, questioning their patriotism, calling them enemies of the people and then suddenly pretending that you're concerned about civility," he told a cheering crowd.

Source

st2lemans · #**16780** 27.10.2018, 23:36

	Quote:	Blueangel
	So you believe it was an act of faith and not a terrorist act, or an act of war?

Nutters in all of the above cases.

Tom