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How could it not be a mental issue? there must be something seriously wrong in your head when you do something. Anger doesn't explain it.
Ok, so the guys who flew airplanes into the World Trade Center, etc - were they mentally ill? Is the requirement for a terrorist mental illness? Obsession, yes, but that's not necessarily a mental illness. Neither is Sociopathy - which suggests a lack of integration, but not necessarily a mental illness.

This event is motivated by anger and politics. Not mental illness. It's domestic terrorism. It's different. Why is it that the mental illness theory is more available to you in memory than the politically motivated terrorist? Because that's what is filtered down and presented in the media via political groups. That's the easy explanation.

Two problems with it - it's a lazy explanation. How many of these people are convicted on the basis of mental disease and defect? Think about McVeigh - the Oklahoma city bombing. Was he mentally ill?

The second problem is the marginalization of people with mental illnesses.

But if any of you are experienced in psychiatric diagnoses, then please, show me I am wrong. I'm interested to learn.
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It's a fair point, well made. When he was elected I read all the analysis, disaffected underclass, politically marginalised, ignored by the elites, blah blah, yup it all made sense. Probably a much needed wake-up call for US politics. But here we are, scandal after scandal, ignorance piled on ignorance, lie upon easily disprovable lie, billionaires lining their pockets at the expense of their base who can't see they are being fleeced. Michael Moore commented in an interview recently that if you are still supporting trump after all thats happened you are lost, theres no reaching you. Thats how I feel, to quote an (American) friend "America is over". All I can do is grab the popcorn and watch the show, well I also carefully checked my wife's gigantic ballot paper, but mostly it's just popcorn and laughing(manically sometimes) at the absurdity.
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An angry jerk would punch someone in a bar, someone who methodically assembles possibly scores of explosive devices then posts them to political enemies is clearly deranged.
We'll have to agree to differ on this. I see it as calm, premeditated, carefully planned and methodical. It's the antithesis of deranged.

Was it marton who pointed out that the stamps used were a limited edition from the 'patriots collection'? That's not the action of a deranged mind. That's a jibe from a narcissistic, glory hunter. It's his 'signature'. Any potential copycat would have to go to a lot of effort to exactly mimic these acts. Everything that we know about the suspect at this point in time screams that he's a narcissist with a temper.
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There was never any proof that classified Hillary’s emails were read by foreign powers but it seems that Trump's phone calls are widely available!

The thing is: DC is full of IMSI catchers (google Washington DC imsi catcher). If you use a normal phone (any phone, doesn't need to be an iPhone) chances are your call is being routed through any one of the large number of them deployed around DC.
Because some of them might be deployed by a US 3-letter-agency trying to listen in on calls by foreign operatives (and said 3-letter-agencies don't want to tell anyone where and when they are operating), efforts by the FCC and Congress to clean those up aren't getting any real traction.

So, technically nobody has been caught listening to Trump's phone-calls directly or bugging his phone - but it's really a technicality at this point.

Trump's "secure" phones only have WiFi - but they are managed by some MDM and he can't install apps on them. They are also supposed to be dumped after a month, but due to the "inconvenience" this means to him, that is also not thoroughly followed through....
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Ok, so the guys who flew airplanes into the World Trade Center, etc - were they mentally ill?
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Ok, so the guys who flew airplanes into the World Trade Center, etc - were they mentally ill?
They killed themselves and 3000 other people, as they believed it would please their Great Sky Fairy - what do you think?
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They killed themselves and 3000 other people, as they believed it would please their Great Sky Fairy - what do you think?
So religious people are mentally ill?
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Old 27.10.2018, 23:17
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So religious people are mentally ill?
A lot of them, for sure.

Why else believe that rubbish?

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They killed themselves and 3000 other people, as they believed it would please their Great Sky Fairy - what do you think?
So you believe it was an act of faith and not a terrorist act, or an act of war?
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Former President Barack Obama made a thinly veiled jab at President Donald Trump on Friday evening, saying it was wrong to use a position of power for attacking others as "enemies of the people and then suddenly pretending that you're concerned about civility."

"I would like to think that everybody in America would think it's wrong to spend all your time from a position of power vilifying people, questioning their patriotism, calling them enemies of the people and then suddenly pretending that you're concerned about civility," he told a cheering crowd.

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So you believe it was an act of faith and not a terrorist act, or an act of war?
Nutters in all of the above cases.

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I welcome you to give me another term for people who live their lives to please an imaginary sky fairy, for which they have no proof.
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So you believe it was an act of faith and not a terrorist act, or an act of war?
For me it is very much in the semantics - after all, one man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist, and one man's mentally ill sky fairy believer is another man's martyr.
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Old 28.10.2018, 00:18
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We'll have to agree to differ on this. I see it as calm, premeditated, carefully planned and methodical. It's the antithesis of deranged.

Was it marton who pointed out that the stamps used were a limited edition from the 'patriots collection'? That's not the action of a deranged mind. That's a jibe from a narcissistic, glory hunter. It's his 'signature'. Any potential copycat would have to go to a lot of effort to exactly mimic these acts. Everything that we know about the suspect at this point in time screams that he's a narcissist with a temper.
Using this logic we can also agree that serial killers, who many a time are also calm, premeditated and methodical in comiting each and every murder, are the antithesis of deranged*.... The fact that he's also a narcissistic, glory hunter is just "Beilage"...anyway, I'm afraid he was way out of that area where he could be defined as an angry person.

*wait, this is exactly what our "celeb" wanted to do...

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But if any of you are experienced in psychiatric diagnoses, then please, show me I am wrong. I'm interested to learn.
I am sorry, but only a very ignorant person would put all mental illnesses in the same pot. I don't see how taking into consideration a mental illness can be seen as marginalising or stigmatising. Seriously?

A psychopath is not necessarily an irrational, delirious person, lacking any social grace. There's a whole literature on psychotic pathologies, let's see what the investigators will come up with. He'll be assessed by some experts. Meantime, trying to imply it's a bad thing to even mention that is not nice...

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I welcome you to give me another term for people who live their lives to please an imaginary sky fairy, for which they have no proof.
Indoctrinated or looking for something that was lacking in their life.
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For me it is very much in the semantics - after all, one man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist, and one man's mentally ill sky fairy believer is another man's martyr.
It may just be semantics to you, but to the judicial system, it's essential to what happens next, and in deciding if he be sent to a high security psychiatric hospital or will he stand trial and be held accountable.

'Mentally ill' should not be used to describe every person who commits an evil act. It demonises people who genuinely have a mental illness, and absolves criminals.

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Using this logic we can also agree that serial killers, who many a time are also calm, premeditated and methodical in comiting each and every murder, are the antithesis of deranged*.... The fact that he's also a narcissistic, glory hunter is just "Beilage"...anyway, I'm afraid he was way out of that area where he could be defined as an angry person.

*wait, this is exactly what our "celeb" wanted to do...



I am sorry, but only a very ignorant person would put all mental illnesses in the same pot. I don't see how taking into consideration a mental illness can be seen as marginalising or stigmatising. Seriously?

A psychopath is not necessarily an irrational, delirious person, lacking any social grace. There's a whole literature on psychotic pathologies, let's see what the investigators will come up with. He'll be assessed by some experts. Meantime, trying to imply it's a bad thing to even mention that is not nice...

There‘s a fair amount of epidemiological and psychiatric literature suggesting that mental illness does not predict violent behavior. To the extent that mental illnesses are breeding grounds for terrorism and violence, that causal relationship has not been satisfied. And continuing to link violent behavior with mental illness increases stigma and marginalization.

What does link to violent behavior is substance abuse, previous episodes of violence, disruptive living situations.


But honestly, when one is called ignorant, what‘s the point of even continuing.

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What does link to violent behavior is substance abuse, previous episodes of violence, disruptive living situations.
Precisely.

People can live their entire life with personality disorders, without causing any harm to themselves or the people around them. Some are very successful professional people. However, as edot has stated, some will respond to a trigger, be that drink, drugs, disruption, etc...
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What a difference a month makes!

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Following the recent falls in US markets the status now is the Dow Jones rose 41 percent between Obama’s inauguration and the two-week period leading up to his first midterm.
Since Trump’s inauguration the Dow has risen 25 percent.

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