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Old 28.10.2018, 13:45
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What a difference a month makes!



Following the recent falls in US markets the status now is the Dow Jones rose 41 percent between Obama’s inauguration and the two-week period leading up to his first midterm.
Since Trump’s inauguration the Dow has risen 25 percent.

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Sure... but Trump's 25% is a better 25% than the 25% which was included in Obama's 41%.
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There‘s a fair amount of epidemiological and psychiatric literature suggesting that mental illness does not predict violent behavior.
Of course. I think we terribly misunderstand each other on this subject. I'm sorry.
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Old 28.10.2018, 14:02
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Federal prosecutors have filed hate crime charges against a Pennsylvania man who authorities say stormed a Pittsburgh synagogue and opened fire, killing 11 people.

Robert Bowers, 46, of suburban Baldwin, surrendered to authorities after Saturday morning's shooting at the Tree of Life synagogue.

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Why posted here? There are faint traces of Trump

In one social media post, Bowers claimed Jews were helping transport members of the migrant caravans.

Among the vitriolic statements is also a criticism of President Donald Trump, who Bowers suggested was surrounded by too many Jewish people.

So even people who are not Trump supporters fall for Trump's migrant caravan propaganda!
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Old 28.10.2018, 16:26
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Trump White House and administration officials are furious that the union representing a key Trump constituency — Border Patrol agents — endorsed three Senate Democrats.

It's an “egregious” action on “the existential issue of this election,” one White House official told POLITICO.

In allowing his union to endorse Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), Jon Tester (D-Mont.) and Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.), Judd behaved in a manner that was "self-serving," a Trump administration official said, "rather than putting the Border Patrol first."

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Sad that Trump administration see all Dems as enemies; little chance of bipartisan work.

Meanwhile House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy posted and later deleted a tweet last week that suggested three Jewish, billionaire Democratic donors were attempting to "buy" the 2018 midterm elections.

"We cannot allow Soros, Steyer, and Bloomberg to BUY this election! Get out and vote Republican November 6th. #MAGA," McCarthy wrote in the tweet posted Tuesday just one day after authorities intercepted what appeared to be a pipe bomb sent to Soros' New York home.

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Really not clever to be seen to be in any way supporting bombers!
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The capacity for self-delusion amongst Trump supporters is beyond belief:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...pe-bomb-arrest

...although thinking of certain posters on here perhaps still not.
To be fair, that capacity (and apparent willfulness) is anything but limited to the right. It includes EF not just from the right even though EF posters supposedly are above-average educated.

IMHO this is much less about education than it is about psychology, including group-think.
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EF posters supposedly are above-average educated.
I'm curious as to where you got this idea (it isn't the first time I've read it here).
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I'm curious as to where you got this idea (it isn't the first time I've read it here).
I'm sure The Local has stats to answer the question definitively, but one can probably safely assume that most members of EF are expatriates who have come to Switzerland to take advantage of higher-paid and/or specialized jobs (I'm not one of this group, by the way). People who occupy such positions are usually required to have advanced educational qualifications.

We can all find anecdotal evidence to disprove this idea, but a few individual examples don't constitute proof of negation. Perhaps we need a new poll...
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I'm curious as to where you got this idea (it isn't the first time I've read it here).
You don't earn almost $200k on average (as per the referenced HSBC study) as an expat in CH by having dropped out of high school.
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Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
Just watched Wacky Tom Steyer, who I have not seen in action before, be interviewed by @jaketapper. He comes off as a crazed & stumbling lunatic who should be running out of money pretty soon. As bad as their field is, if he is running for President, the Dems will eat him alive!

10:03 am - 28 Oct 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...92374607024130

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.@realdonaldtrump just tweeted at me in his typical insulting style after watching @CNNsotu. It is unthinkable that in the midst of the horrible political violence our president would resort to name-calling instead of repairing the damage to the fabric of our country.

10:42 am - 28 Oct 2018
https://twitter.com/TomSteyer/status...02159020527616

WTF is going on when the POTUS believes this is an appropriate reaction in light of the week's events? And, when a major US city was holding a vigil for their dead, he was tweeting about a bloody football game!!! The man has no decorum.
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Education does not necessarily mean an individual is well informed, or has the requisite skill to sift through and evaluate information outside one‘s field. Highly educated people still fall prey to cognitive biases and framing. But I guess that speaks more to judgement, decision making and ultimately psychology than education.

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The capacity for self-delusion amongst Trump supporters is beyond belief:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...pe-bomb-arrest

...although thinking of certain posters on here perhaps still not.
Well when you have a US President who continually claims the media print fake news and regularly sends out tweets like this about US law enforcement

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“We have found nothing to show collusion between President Trump & Russia, absolutely zero, but every day we get more documentation showing collusion between the FBI & DOJ, the Hillary campaign, foreign spies & Russians, incredible.” @SaraCarterDC @LouDobbs

1:08 PM - 11 Sep 2018
Then do you really expect US voters to believe anything any more
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Old 28.10.2018, 19:54
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[URL]..... WTF is going on when the POTUS believes this is an appropriate reaction in light of the week's events? And, when a major US city was holding a vigil for their dead, he was tweeting about a bloody football game!!! The man has no decorum.
(Real) events are very disturbing, annoying and career hindering nuisances.


I noticed that every time I google someone I've never heard of, they are "philanthropist".
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Education does not necessarily mean an individual is well informed, or has the requisite skill to sift through and evaluate information outside one‘s field. Highly educated people still fall prey to cognitive biases and framing. But I guess that speaks more to judgement, decision making and ultimately psychology than education.
Myself when I get any information I always try to dig down to original sources, who they are, what are their known views and what is their track record.
So if a media quotes a report from an organisation then I visit the organisation web site and read what they actually wrote.

Of course, sadly for many people this is either too time consuming or impractical.

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Old 28.10.2018, 20:33
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One of today's lies
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President Donald Trump falsely claimed Saturday that the New York Stock Exchange re-opened the day after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in an effort to justify holding a rally on the same day that a mass shooting occurred at a synagogue in Pittsburgh.

In fact the NYSE closed after the attacks and did not reopen until September 17
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Basically Spanky no longer recognises or even cares what is the truth
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Old 28.10.2018, 20:51
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...Basically Spanky no longer recognises or even cares what is the truth
This is new information for you???
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Myself when I get any information I always try to dig down to original sources, who they are, what are their known views and what is their track record.
So if a media quotes a report from an organisation then I visit the organisation web site and read what they actually wrote.

Of course, sadly for many people this is either too time consuming or impractical.
Yes, and you have to look at how the information is reported - the frame, if you will. It is time consuming, but if people were a little better educated about media literacy, it wouldn't be so hard.
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Yes, and you have to look at how the information is reported - the frame, if you will. It is time consuming, but if people were a little better educated about media literacy, it wouldn't be so hard.
You appear to be assuming that, if only people were open and educated enough and informed well and truthfully, they'd have no choice but to arrive at the same or similar conclusions as yours.

Reality keeps disproving that assumption. In part, but far from only, because people's individual realities aka lives differ. By a lot. And then some.
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The Fake News is doing everything in their power to blame Republicans, Conservatives and me for the division and hatred that has been going on for so long in our Country.
Actually, it is their Fake & Dishonest reporting which is causing problems far greater than they understand!
Pot, kettle black.

Reporting news is neither Fake nor Dishonest.
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You appear to be assuming that, if only people were open and educated enough and informed well and truthfully, they'd have no choice but to arrive at the same or similar conclusions as yours.

Reality keeps disproving that assumption. In part, but far from only, because people's individual realities aka lives differ. By a lot. And then some.
It was not my intent. I don’t care if they conclude differently at all.

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You appear to be assuming that, if only people were open and educated enough and informed well and truthfully, they'd have no choice but to arrive at the same or similar conclusions as yours.

Reality keeps disproving that assumption. In part, but far from only, because people's individual realities aka lives differ. By a lot. And then some.
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