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curley · #**16801** 28.10.2018, 19:54

	Quote:	Blueangel
	[URL]..... WTF is going on when the POTUS believes this is an appropriate reaction in light of the week's events? And, when a major US city was holding a vigil for their dead, he was tweeting about a bloody football game!!! The man has no decorum.

(Real) events are very disturbing, annoying and career hindering nuisances.

I noticed that every time I google someone I've never heard of, they are "philanthropist".

marton · #**16802** 28.10.2018, 19:55

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	Education does not necessarily mean an individual is well informed, or has the requisite skill to sift through and evaluate information outside one‘s field. Highly educated people still fall prey to cognitive biases and framing. But I guess that speaks more to judgement, decision making and ultimately psychology than education.

Myself when I get any information I always try to dig down to original sources, who they are, what are their known views and what is their track record.
So if a media quotes a report from an organisation then I visit the organisation web site and read what they actually wrote.

Of course, sadly for many people this is either too time consuming or impractical.

marton · #**16803** 28.10.2018, 20:33

One of today's lies

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	President Donald Trump falsely claimed Saturday that the New York Stock Exchange re-opened the day after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in an effort to justify holding a rally on the same day that a mass shooting occurred at a synagogue in Pittsburgh. In fact the NYSE closed after the attacks and did not reopen until September 17

Source

Basically Spanky no longer recognises or even cares what is the truth

3Wishes · #**16804** 28.10.2018, 20:51

	Quote:	marton
	...Basically Spanky no longer recognises or even cares what is the truth

This is new information for you???

#**16805** 28.10.2018, 21:26

	Quote:	marton
	Myself when I get any information I always try to dig down to original sources, who they are, what are their known views and what is their track record. So if a media quotes a report from an organisation then I visit the organisation web site and read what they actually wrote. Of course, sadly for many people this is either too time consuming or impractical.

Yes, and you have to look at how the information is reported - the frame, if you will. It is time consuming, but if people were a little better educated about media literacy, it wouldn't be so hard.

Urs Max · #**16806** 29.10.2018, 09:20

	Quote:
	Yes, and you have to look at how the information is reported - the frame, if you will. It is time consuming, but if people were a little better educated about media literacy, it wouldn't be so hard.

You appear to be assuming that, if only people were open and educated enough and informed well and truthfully, they'd have no choice but to arrive at the same or similar conclusions as yours.

Reality keeps disproving that assumption. In part, but far from only, because people's individual realities aka lives differ. By a lot. And then some.

marton · #**16807** 29.10.2018, 10:31

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	Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump The Fake News is doing everything in their power to blame Republicans, Conservatives and me for the division and hatred that has been going on for so long in our Country. Actually, it is their Fake & Dishonest reporting which is causing problems far greater than they understand!

Pot, kettle black.

Reporting news is neither Fake nor Dishonest.

#**16808** 29.10.2018, 10:40

	Quote:	Urs Max
	You appear to be assuming that, if only people were open and educated enough and informed well and truthfully, they'd have no choice but to arrive at the same or similar conclusions as yours. Reality keeps disproving that assumption. In part, but far from only, because people's individual realities aka lives differ. By a lot. And then some.

It was not my intent. I don’t care if they conclude differently at all.

marton · #**16809** 29.10.2018, 10:44

	Quote:	Urs Max
	You appear to be assuming that, if only people were open and educated enough and informed well and truthfully, they'd have no choice but to arrive at the same or similar conclusions as yours. Reality keeps disproving that assumption. In part, but far from only, because people's individual realities aka lives differ. By a lot. And then some.

Play the ball not the player

#**16810** 29.10.2018, 10:44

Pittsburgh Jewish leaders have asked Trump to stay away. Unless.....

https://www.bendthearc.us/open_lette...resident_trump

Blueangel · #**16811** 29.10.2018, 13:31

Holy shit! He's at it again with his 'Enemy of the People' crap.

I swear he won't rest until news reporters are murdered in the US, but even then, he'll just blame them and say they should have had armed body guards with them.

This is intolerable.

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	Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump There is great anger in our Country caused in part by inaccurate, and even fraudulent, reporting of the news. The Fake News Media, the true Enemy of the People, must stop the open & obvious hostility & report the news accurately & fairly. That will do much to put out the flame... 5:03 am - 29 Oct 2018

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...79122348195841

I was talking with an old, much loved and respected friend last night, about the climate of debate and the rhetoric coming from the White House. He's an American uni lecturer, former US army airborne and Vietnam vet. He said... "I've never seen anything like this, ever."

Reb77Br · #**16812** 29.10.2018, 14:09

"Had a very good conversation with the newly elected President of Brazil, Jair Bolsonaro, who won his race by a substantial margin. We agreed that Brazil and the United States will work closely together on Trade, Military and everything else! Excellent call, wished him congrats!"
Donald Trump

"The election of a fascist, pro-torture, anti-LGBT, anti-human rights, authoritarian, climate change denier in Brazil's democracy of more than 200 million is catastrophic. We must take the resurgence of the far right seriously - and beat its ugly narrative of hate and division."
David Lammy (Labour MP for Tottenham)

Ouchboy · #**16813** 29.10.2018, 14:18

I like how the pearl clutching " them muslims" posters are super absent on these political induced terrorist acts.

If all this had been done by ISIS .. the amount of posting would excede that mythical 2%

but I digress...

pilatus1 · #**16814** 29.10.2018, 14:42

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Holy shit! He's at it again with his 'Enemy of the People' crap. I swear he won't rest until news reporters are murdered in the US, but even then, he'll just blame them and say they should have had armed body guards with them. This is intolerable. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...79122348195841 I was talking with an old, much loved and respected friend last night, about the climate of debate and the rhetoric coming from the White House. He's an American uni lecturer, former US army airborne and Vietnam vet. He said... "I've never seen anything like this, ever."

How does this work?

marton · #**16815** 29.10.2018, 14:52

US consumer spending increased 0.3% in Sept, while personal income edged up 0.2% — the smallest gain since June 2017

Source

I am sure the 1% are doing great but how much the 99% benefit from Trump's growing economy is doubtful.

The personal savings rate slipped to 6.2 percent in September, the lowest level in 2018, which is not a good sign.

Despite a big jump this morning the Dow is still hovering around the same level as at this year's start having lost all 2018 gains.
It might jump much higher or crash down again, uncertain times.

#**16816** 29.10.2018, 15:38

	Quote:	Ouchboy
	I like how the pearl clutching " them muslims" posters are super absent on these political induced terrorist acts. If all this had been done by ISIS .. the amount of posting would excede that mythical 2% but I digress...

I was just thinking that, and also, that they would be demanding all muslims collectively condemn the terrorist attacks, so are all the Spanky fans going to condemn the bomber and the rhetoric that drove him?

Or are they going to keep on believing it's a false flag attack.

Brianzoeu · #**16817** 29.10.2018, 15:50

The "Brazilian Trump" got elected yesterday:

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
2h2 hours ago
Had a very good conversation with the newly elected President of Brazil, Jair Bolsonaro, who won his race by a substantial margin. We agreed that Brazil and the United States will work closely together on Trade, Military and everything else! Excellent call, wished him congrats!

Starts at 4m39s :

How does this work?

#**16818** 29.10.2018, 15:50

	Quote:
	I was just thinking that, and also, that they would be demanding all muslims collectively condemn the terrorist attacks, so are all the Spanky fans going to condemn the bomber and the rhetoric that drove him? Or are they going to keep on believing it's a false flag attack.

Can you reasonably explain in any way how Trump - who has just moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, whose son-in-law is an orthodox Jew and whose daughter Ivanka has converted to Judaism - is responsible for this attack?

#**16819** 29.10.2018, 16:02

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Can you reasonably explain in any way how Trump - who has just moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, whose son-in-law is an orthodox Jew and whose daughter Ivanka has converted to Judaism - is responsible for this attack?

...and the parcel bombs?

#**16820** 29.10.2018, 16:08

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Can you reasonably explain in any way how Trump - who has just moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, whose son-in-law is an orthodox Jew and whose daughter Ivanka has converted to Judaism - is responsible for this attack?

I suppose when you lie in bed with Neo-Nazi dogs, you sometimes get anti-Semitic fleas.