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pilatus1 · #**16941** 04.11.2018, 10:01

	Quote:	marton
	Is this just your opinion or do you have proof such people exist in large numbers?

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Is it just my opinion that there are large numbers of illegal immigrants In the US? Are you trolling?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ille..._United_States

marton · #**16942** 04.11.2018, 10:51

	Quote:	pilatus1
	Shall I refer you to your post, (the one which I had responded to ), where you posted a meme about immigrant nobel prize winners , directly after quoting Trump's tweet about criminal illegal aliens?! And you're trying to say that Im the one associating refugees and legal immigrants with criminals? When in my post I clearly mad a distinction between the two to correct your faulty logic?!

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	donald j. Trump@realdonaldtrump republicans believe our country should be a sanctuary for law-abiding americans – not criminal aliens. And republicans will always stand with the heroes of @icegov, @cbp, and law enforcement!

Of course Trump was conflating criminal aliens with refugees which is why he used the word sanctuary.

sanctuary; noun, "refuge or safety from pursuit, persecution, or other danger"

marton · #**16943** 04.11.2018, 11:27

	Quote:	pilatus1
	? Is it just my opinion that there are large numbers of illegal immigrants In the US? Are you trolling? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ille..._United_States

Interesting article, unauthorized immigrant workers make up 26% of farming, fisheries, and forest workers. So without these illegals these industries would collapse!

omtatsat · #**16944** 04.11.2018, 11:52

You can't always get what you want Trump. But you get what you need..........( fill in the words )

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rre-theme-song

marton · #**16945** 04.11.2018, 13:09

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	Early voter turnout in this year’s midterm election in Texas has reportedly surpassed the entire voter turnout total in the state’s 2014 midterm election. According to The Texas Tribune, over 4,500,000 people in Texas cast in-person ballots in this year’s early voting period and more than 360,000 people have cast mail-in ballots in 30 counties alone.

Interesting times, so who is the most motivated to vote; Dems or GOP!!

amogles · #**16946** 04.11.2018, 13:11

	Quote:	marton
	Interesting article, unauthorized immigrant workers make up 26% of farming, fisheries, and forest workers. So without these illegals these industries would collapse!

or maybe just magically develop the capability to fill out their paperwork properly, play by the rules and recruit through legal channels?

Especially in fisheries and forestry we are talking about skilled workers. You don't just take a guy off the street and put him at the wheel of an industrial fishing trawler, or give him a chainsaw and expect him to do forestry properly. People with skills like that should have no problems getting jobs legally.

curley · #**16947** 04.11.2018, 14:30

	Quote:	amogles
	or maybe just magically develop the capability to fill out their paperwork properly, play by the rules and recruit through legal channels? Especially in fisheries and forestry we are talking about skilled workers. You don't just take a guy off the street and put him at the wheel of an industrial fishing trawler, or give him a chainsaw and expect him to do forestry properly. People with skills like that should have no problems getting jobs legally.

That would mean paying them properly. As we know, not even Trump wants to do that.

marton · #**16948** 04.11.2018, 19:01

‘Saturday Night Live’ mocks Fox News coverage of caravan

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Best line
"“The caravan is only 800 miles from our border,” he says. “If these immigrants walk at a normal pace of 300 miles a day, they could be here in time to vote on Election Day.”"

Meanwhile
US militia groups planning to form their own caravan and head to border

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Trump is certainly not inciting violence

marton · #**16949** 04.11.2018, 19:25

Where is Friday when you need it?

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	‘Pecan Resist’: Ben & Jerry’s unveils new ice cream flavor to fight Trump’s ‘regressive agenda’

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Pecan Resist
Chocolate Ice Cream with White & Dark Fudge Chunks, Pecans, Walnuts & Fudge-Covered Almonds

marton · #**16950** 04.11.2018, 20:13

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	Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump New Fox Poll shows a “40% Approval Rating by African Americans for President Trump, a record for Republicans.” Thank you, a great honor!

Good to know
except
seems Trump invented this poll

curley · #**16951** 04.11.2018, 20:51

	Quote:	marton
	‘...... "“The caravan is only 800 miles from our border,” he says. “If these immigrants walk at a normal pace of 300 miles a day, they could be here in time to vote on Election Day.” .....

Would people around Chester please not take large group hikes direction Dover in these times of Brexit as it might make the Swiss governement in Bern nervous. As you know that will affect the biggest part of the male and part of the female population and is incredibly inconvenient. Thank you.

#**16952** 04.11.2018, 22:13

	Quote:	curley
	That would mean paying them properly. As we know, not even Trump wants to do that.

I think you hit at the "heart" of the issue Curley. Will US corporates be willing to pay their employees appropriately? If they, in an effort to cut costs, continue to underpay employees and outsource their labor overseas to enhance revenues, immigration will always pose a problem. I am not convinced that Trump is the source of the problem here but believe corporates bear the majority of the blame (anything to enhance their profit margins)... And that includes tax avoidance!

Urs Max · #**16953** 04.11.2018, 22:56

	Quote:	marton
	Attachment 134844 Not sure if this claim is true especially because of the variable spelling of Nobel; anyway I like the sentiment

According to Wiki, 6 of the 8 winners in 2017 are US-born, the other 2 German. Can't be bothered to check the 2018 winners.

	Quote:	pilatus1
	People generally aren't in a position to win a Nobel Prize when they are laying low, working off the books, not paying taxes, and hiding out from the INS. .

Let me phrase it the other way round:
People with the potential to win a Nobel Prize will have no problems at all getting into the country and setting up residence legally.

#**16954** 04.11.2018, 23:03

10 years ago today since the last adult was elected potus.

curley · #**16955** 04.11.2018, 23:18

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	10 years ago today since the last adult was elected potus.

I don't consider this a "useful post"

If you had added this it might have been?

marton · #**16956** 04.11.2018, 23:59

	Quote:	Urs Max
	According to Wiki, 6 of the 8 winners in 2017 are US-born, the other 2 German. Can't be bothered to check the 2018 winners. Let me phrase it the other way round: People with the potential to win a Nobel Prize will have no problems at all getting into the country and setting up residence legally.

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	Republican National Committee chairwoman Ronna McDaniel declined on Sunday to address an incendiary immigration video shared last week by President Donald Trump, instead saying that, "we know good people are trying to come into the country, too." The online video, which was tweeted by Trump last Wednesday, accuses Democrats, without evidence, of plotting to help people it depicts as Central American invaders overrun the nation with cop killers.

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Probably people from North Korea, Syria, Iran, Yemen, Libya, Somalia and Venezuela with the potential to win a Nobel Prize will have problems getting into the country and setting up residence legally.

marton · #**16957** 05.11.2018, 01:06

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	Trump on Sunday said that Winfrey has "been down to Mar-a-Lago" and falsely claimed that he made an appearance on the Oprah Winfrey Show during the last week that it aired. Trump said Winfrey had her "five most important people" on that week and said he was one of them. This is the fourth time Trump has lied that he was on Oprah's show in its last week, but it's the first time he's claimed it was because he was super-important to Oprah. https://t.co/e8jiuzrDTA — Daniel Dale (@ddale8) November 4, 2018 (Daniel Dale is the Toronto Star's Washington bureau chief,)

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Meanwhile

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	White House counselor Kellyanne Conway attacked former Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton on Sunday, calling her “the queen of abortion.”

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This is probably the nastiest mid term ever; why she gave Hillary this title is not explained or even why Hillary is still a target.

st2lemans · #**16958** 05.11.2018, 07:17

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	10 38 years ago today since the last adult was elected potus.

FTFY!

Tom

greenmount · #**16959** 05.11.2018, 07:46

	Quote:	Urs Max
	People with the potential to win a Nobel Prize will have no problems at all getting into the country and setting up residence legally.

Not necessarily true, Urs Max and you know it very well. If they come from a place on the negative radar they face enormous difficulties......but of course, Marton's generalisation refugees equals Nobel winners is also silly, even though yes, there were some cases. That's why every case should be judged separately, but Trump's collective bans are anything but a fair decision imho.

#**16960** 05.11.2018, 08:16

	Quote:	curley
	I don't consider this a "useful post" If you had added this it might have been?

thanks for that, such a contrast to see a reasoned mature statement instead of a petulant child in orange clown makeup.