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He can kill off all the PC crap along the way.
It's a bit sad how what our grandparents' generation used to call "common decency" towards others has been repackaged into an ill-fitting cover-all derogatory term favoured by conservatives as "political correctness".

As far as I've seen on this thread and in other material - it's only the more right wing types that use this term anyway. And even then it just seems to be an excuse to allow them to just be as toxic as they like to whomever they like.

You don't need reasoned argument anymore, you just need to have the most toxic battery of meaningless insults. For those people Trump is reinforcing this behaviour and is therefore their champion.
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Old 10.01.2017, 11:59
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It's a bit sad how what our grandparents' generation used to call "common decency" towards others has been repackaged into an ill-fitting cover-all derogatory term favoured by conservatives as "political correctness".

As far as I've seen on this thread and in other material - it's only the more right wing types that use this term anyway. And even then it just seems to be an excuse to allow them to just be as toxic as they like to whomever they like.

You don't need reasoned argument anymore, you just need to have the most toxic battery of meaningless insults. For those people Trump is reinforcing this behaviour and is therefore their champion.
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It boils down to people seeing stuff in the way they want to, or whatever reaffirms their agenda.
for me, PC is the toxicity you are referring to.

PC -> anti PC -> anti anti PC -> etc

i find myself in the second group, you see yourself in the third one.
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Meryl Streep? Seriously? "Proven" failure due to a tweet?
Even Piers Morgan, who is a longtime personal friend of Trump, disagrees with him on Streep being a failure. Morgan said on tv this morning that Trump's MO is "you have a jab at me and I'll have a jab at you". Not very mature.
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Old 10.01.2017, 12:13
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for me, PC is the toxicity you are referring to.

PC -> anti PC -> anti anti PC -> etc

i find myself in the second group, you see yourself in the third one.
Well, given that I don't actually recognise the term "PC" (as it seems to be a made up term to suit the "I can be as nasty as I like" people on either side of the fence), you can put me where you want and it makes no difference.
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Old 10.01.2017, 12:20
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It's a bit sad how what our grandparents' generation used to call "common decency" towards others has been repackaged into an ill-fitting cover-all derogatory term favoured by conservatives as "political correctness".

As far as I've seen on this thread and in other material - it's only the more right wing types that use this term anyway.
Political correctness was invented by, and for, people who don't have the good manners that they were most likely, born and raised with.
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Old 10.01.2017, 12:24
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Well, given that I don't actually recognise the term "PC" (as it seems to be a made up term to suit the "I can be as nasty as I like" people on either side of the fence), you can put me where you want and it makes no difference.
disregarding the concept of PC, there is nastiness all over the place. lets not shove this into "the right's" shoes exclusively then.

so basically what youre saying is that you dont like people that you dont like

it's just the toxic state of the world. i blame x, others blame y = more toxicity
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Old 10.01.2017, 12:33
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

PC is clearly abused by both sides of the fence, however it has at least pushed us forward from the 80s/90s where it was completely acceptable (and considered funny, see Jim Davidson, Berhard Manning etc) to make jokes about N-ers, P-kis, Poofders etc. I think we can all be grateful our mainstream society is free of that toxicity.

What people say on their own private time is up to them, they can be as racist and homophobic etc as they want, their business. In a modern day scoiety though, we really don't need it in our daily lives as if it were acceptable to espouse these views. People are still free to do so of course, but then also have to face the consequences society has for being racist.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I'm glad he's focusing on the real important issues in the world. Foreign policy? Who cares, attack an actress on Twitter instead. Domestic policy? Who cares, tweet an attack to the press that critizises him.

I'm happy he's got his priorities straight. Apparently, reading or writing anything that is longer than 140 characters is too much to ask.

What a godd* embarrassment.
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disregarding the concept of PC, there is nastiness all over the place. lets not shove this into "the right's" shoes exclusively then.

so basically what youre saying is that you dont like people that you dont like

it's just the toxic state of the world. i blame x, others blame y = more toxicity
The irony is, that the right's go-to response is any combination of "liberal", "left", "lefties", "libtards" so don't dish it out if you can't take it.

And yes, I find knobheads on both side of the political landscape. Some people on here would be an utter cock whether they shared or disagreed with my political view.
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Old 10.01.2017, 12:45
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The world doesn't run on taking offense, and claiming to be offended. With social media, its reached a point when any and every person can express their outrage at feeling offending. Anyone can take offense at anything. I'd like to pass the crescendo of it all. Personally, I mentally turn it off and sometimes even ridicule it now, Meryl Streeps! Some things are best for people to deal with on their own.

In any case, I think its high time for people to bring more value to the table than merely claiming to take offense at something or having been offended. Its ultimately better for everything and everybody.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

You're assuming that any of the belligerents on here were friends in the first place, Tom
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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The irony is, that the right's go-to response is any combination of "liberal", "left", "lefties", "libtards" so don't dish it out if you can't take it.

And yes, I find knobheads on both side of the political landscape. Some people on here would be an utter cock whether they shared or disagreed with my political view.
and the left's go-to response is to call people racists, xenophobes, sexists, nazis and untermenschen, idiots and trolls.

im cool with that because you can say anything you want. as long as you back it up with arguments. simply calling someone a troll to dismiss what is said and then walk away is shit.

the real irony is then, that the left starts whining about decency when the word libtard is mentioned.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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The world doesn't run on taking offense, and claiming to be offended. With social media, its reached a point when any and every person can express their outrage at feeling offending. Anyone can take offense at anything. I'd like to pass the crescendo of it all. Personally, I mentally turn it off and sometimes even ridicule it now, Meryl Streeps! Some things are best for people to deal with on their own.

In any case, I think its high time for people to bring more value to the table than merely claiming to take offense at something or having been offended. Its ultimately better for everything and everybody.
I find most humorous when somebody claims the offence on somebody else's account. It is like people are programmed to sabotage progress at any cost. As long as the world is occupied by defining the level of perceived offence..

Thomas Sowell has a few great videos (from so long ago, too) on the subject.
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and the left's go-to response is to call people racists, xenophobes, sexists, nazis and untermenschen, idiots and trolls.
Where has untermenschen been used on this forum? Or are you thinking of somehwere else?
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Where has untermenschen been used on this forum? Or are you thinking of somehwere else?
oh i am not thinking of EF in particular. but i like how you imply the other words have probably been used here.
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Where has untermenschen been used on this forum? Or are you thinking of somehwere else?
Post truth, par excellence. Let's just guess it has been used, doesn't matter if it has been or not. Sigh.
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Post truth, par excellence. Let's just guess it has been used, doesn't matter if it has been or not. Sigh.
fine. untermensch = inferior = deplorable.

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fine. untermensch = inferior = deplorable.

cant wait for another discussion about semantics below
You reply to perceived slights very quickly for someone who doesn't care about them, partner.

We don't need to have the discussion about why 'Untermensch' has far more sinister connotations than your argument is willing to admit. All good.
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