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Remember when you told us the US was turning into a totalitarian state?

Muslim women, Native Americans, and LGBTQ candidates had a night of historic wins
Gerund vs Past Participle, innit?
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Oh, Loz. Loz, Lozzie, Lozzo. I love it when Poms let their envy override their critical faculties.

Thanks for the history lesson. 1788, you say? I'd never have known if it weren't for your piccies. I don't see any connection between the pictures and the brown faces argument, apart from the importation of a few indentured labourers from the South Pacific—in itself a highly amusing point, given that indenture is by definition a system of unfree labour, which rather puts a hole in your "bastion of morality" argument. Or perhaps you thought the gold rush brought a steady stream of Africans and Islanders to Australia? Think again, Loz. There's a reason why Chinese restaurants are ubiquitous in rural Australia. 500,000 gold-seekers from Great Britain, 42,000 from China, and virtually none from Africa or the Pacific Islands.

How can you make this any better? Have you thought about shooting your feet before stuffing them in your mouth?
Shall I just prove you wrong again? It's very easy. Many South Sea Islanders were in Australia, they came and were protected under British rule. Many were then deported as soon as Australia gained control.

"Between 1863 and 1904, an estimated 55,000 to 62,500 South Sea Islanders were brought to Australia to labour on sugar-cane and cotton farms in Queensland and northern New South Wales."

Some light reading for you. Page 6 and 7 should be of particular interest. That's the problem with history, it's very easy to prove. It's why people like David Irving get taken to pieces. Anyway, keep on digging.
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Old 08.11.2018, 08:33
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Sessions resigning means Spanky gets to appoint an acting AG, had Sessions been fired (officially) then Rosenstein takes over.
He didn't resign, he was fired:

"US Attorney General Jeff Sessions has been fired by President Donald Trump."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46132348

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He didn't resign, he was fired:

"US Attorney General Jeff Sessions has been fired by President Donald Trump."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46132348

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Sorry Tom, from Sessions' own press release:

‘At your request, I am submitting my resignation.’

So, basically a polite firing, but technically a resignation.

EDIT: That's even in your own link, if you read past the headline
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Shall I just prove you wrong again? It's very easy. Many South Sea Islanders were in Australia, they came and were protected under British rule. Many were then deported as soon as Australia gained control.

"Between 1863 and 1904, an estimated 55,000 to 62,500 South Sea Islanders were brought to Australia to labour on sugar-cane and cotton farms in Queensland and northern New South Wales."

Some light reading for you. Page 6 and 7 should be of particular interest. That's the problem with history, it's very easy to prove. It's why people like David Irving get taken to pieces. Anyway, keep on digging.
How is this proving your claim that Britain didn't kill any "brown people" between 1800-1899? Especially in light of the thoroughly researched and well sourced link that 22Y posted about the Black War (~1825-32) previously?
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How is this proving your claim that Britain didn't kill any "brown people" between 1800-1899?
I've never said that.
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I've never said that.
I mean, that's a good argument...except you did...
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So you're not able to prove your claim that the British were responsible there being fewer brown people in Australia at the end of the 19th century?
Unless you think that killing brown people doesn't actually mean there are fewer of them.

It's always that last leap of logic that's an issue, isn't it?
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Shall I just prove you wrong again? It's very easy. Many South Sea Islanders were in Australia, they came and were protected under British rule. Many were then deported as soon as Australia gained control.

"Between 1863 and 1904, an estimated 55,000 to 62,500 South Sea Islanders were brought to Australia to labour on sugar-cane and cotton farms in Queensland and northern New South Wales."

Some light reading for you. Page 6 and 7 should be of particular interest. That's the problem with history, it's very easy to prove. It's why people like David Irving get taken to pieces. Anyway, keep on digging.
Loz, the king of disingenuousness.

I'm impressed that you read seven pages deep into a published reference. But you still haven't understood what you read. Perhaps you just overlooked the fact that it took a Commonwealth Act (i.e., a law passed by the newly-formed Australian government) to put an end to the abuses of South Sea Islanders committed by the British colonists?

And are you seriously trying to tell me that the practice of indenture (i.e. near-slavery) practised by British colonists (yes, they were the ones in charge of affairs in Australia for all but four of the years in the period 1863-1904) somehow proves your claim that the British Empire was a "bastion of enlightenment"?

So if I understand you correctly, the 55,000-62,500 Islander near-slaves who were imported to Australia by the British colonists about 150 years ago to circumvent fair wage policies are the primary reason for the sea of brown faces now seen in Australia. Well, that doesn't make any sense to me. But what would I know?
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Remember when you told us the US was turning into a totalitarian state?

Muslim women, Native Americans, and LGBTQ candidates had a night of historic wins
Errrrrrrr yes, and today it is less likely than it was last week, whats your point? that averting a catastrophe means there was never a danger of it in the first place? thats a bit revisionist don't you think?


Isn't this a bit early to start your daily spanking?
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I mean, that's a good argument...except you did...

Unless you think that killing brown people doesn't actually mean there are fewer of them.

It's always that last leap of logic that's an issue, isn't it?
I cannot help you with your reading comprehension.

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that averting a catastrophe means there was never a danger of it in the first place?

Isn't this a bit early to start your daily spanking?
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Old 08.11.2018, 09:39
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Sorry Tom, from Sessions' own press release:

‘At your request, I am submitting my resignation.’

So, basically a polite firing, but technically a resignation.

EDIT: That's even in your own link, if you read past the headline
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It's obvious why he was sacked. He did not help cronie Trump against Müller. The new one supports Trump and is against Müller
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I cannot help you with your reading comprehension.
Aboriginal (including Torres Island) population in the 18th century estimated at 300,000 - over 1,000,000. More likely to be towards the upper end of that range.

Aboriginal population 1901 93,000. So several 100,000 missing through a combination of "new diseases repressive and often brutal treatment, dispossession, and social and cultural disruption and disintegration". So yes, "the British were responsible there being fewer brown people in Australia at the end of the 19th century"

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@....e!OpenDocument
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Old 08.11.2018, 10:09
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I can't see another scenario than it's an attack on Mueller, as I understand it Sessions resigning means Spanky gets to appoint an acting AG, had Sessions been fired (officially) then Rosenstein takes over. So Spanky requests the resignation to avoid firing Sessions in order to appoint his lackey Whitaker who refuses to say if he will follow the recommendation of the ethics advisor if they say he has to recuse himself.

As loathsome as I found Sessions, he did realise that he had to recuse himself, Whitaker strikes me as someone who won't care if he has to recuse, he'll do his masters bidding while spouting his commitment to ethics and justice and blah blah more shit for the base to swallow.
Already the fake news media are digging up stuff on Whitaker
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Matthew Whitaker, the acting US attorney general, was on the advisory board of a Florida company that was shut down by the Federal Trade Commission and served with a $26 million judgment earlier this year for what court documents called "a scam that has bilked thousands of consumers out of millions of dollars."
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A group of demonstrators gathered outside the White House on Wednesday night to protest Attorney General Jeff Sessions resignation at President Trump’s request.
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I believe Trump sees the GOP majority in Senate as supporting him to behave as a Dictator with no one to stop him. He has already suspended CNN Acosta's White House Press pass on flimsy grounds and called Mueller's chief Rosenstein to a White House meeting.
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Shall I just prove you wrong again? It's very easy. Many South Sea Islanders were in Australia, they came and were protected under British rule. Many were then deported as soon as Australia gained control.

"Between 1863 and 1904, an estimated 55,000 to 62,500 South Sea Islanders were brought to Australia to labour on sugar-cane and cotton farms in Queensland and northern New South Wales."

Some light reading for you. Page 6 and 7 should be of particular interest. That's the problem with history, it's very easy to prove. It's why people like David Irving get taken to pieces. Anyway, keep on digging.
"Many South Sea Islanders were in Australia, they "came"...... "

The extent to which Islanders were recruited legally, persuaded, deceived, coerced or forced to leave their homes and travel to Queensland is difficult to evaluate and also controversial.
Official documents and accounts from the period often conflict with the oral tradition passed down to the descendants of workers.
Stories of blatantly violent kidnapping tend to relate to the first ten or so years of the trade

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"Came" is an euphemism for slave trade.
And this is supposed to prove how nice the British were?
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In Tasmania they slaughtered EVERY Aborigine
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In Tasmania they slaughtered EVERY Aborigine
Not quite. They tried hard, but about 10% survived. Doesn't change the overall message, though, of course.

(And you just supported the point I made a few pages back about the Tasmanian genocide being very common knowledge among Australians.)
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So Trump and Muller are Australian ?
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Aboriginal (including Torres Island) population in the 18th century estimated at 300,000 - over 1,000,000. More likely to be towards the upper end of that range.

Aboriginal population 1901 93,000. So several 100,000 missing through a combination of "new diseases repressive and often brutal treatment, dispossession, and social and cultural disruption and disintegration". So yes, "the British were responsible there being fewer brown people in Australia at the end of the 19th century"

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@....e!OpenDocument
Yes, many Aboriginals were killed by smallpox and other diseases. This is somewhat different to state sponsored extermination. It's like blaming China for the Black Death, or Africa for AIDS. It still doesn't prove that there weren't many brown people left in Australia at the end of the 19th century thanks to the British. Keep trying.
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