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Spanky can literally do *insert anything here* and his haters will lose their shit over it.
Lets wait till we can insert "shows character" and lets see if we 'lose our shit' over it.


In other news, we have a Rep with integrity, anyone see Martha McSallys concession speech? well done that woman.
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CNN sues President Trump and top White House aides for barring Jim Acosta as White House Press representative for CNN.

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Pass the popcorn!

I do not know if this approach could be successful but it will certainly keep the issue in front of the voters.
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Lets wait till we can insert "shows character" and lets see if we 'lose our shit' over it.
Let's face it: We will
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I don't think that's true, with winning the popular vote defined as getting at least 50% +1 vote of all valid votes cast, which is the equivalent WRT to electors.
I might be mis-reading you, so apologies if I go off into left field, but...

In this context, "winning" the popular vote = getting more votes than the other guy/gal, not necessarily a majority of the votes cast. It doesn't always mean you get enough electors in the Electoral College, as Clinton found out. Popular vote majority is not always equivalent WRT to electors (if by electors you mean Electoral College electors).

In some very populous states (California) you can rack up millions of votes, but whether you finish with 50% + 1 vote or 100% you still only get 55 Electoral College electors for that state.

Plurality "wins" too sometimes. Take Trump in the Republican primaries. He "won" 44% of the total primary ballots cast, which is not an absolute majority, but it was enough to get the delegates to secure the nomination. Dial it down to the state level. He "won" all 50 of South Carolina's delegates even though he only received 32.51% of the vote, which was a plurality - more than everyone else but not a majority.

Using your definition, he didn't "win the popular vote" in the primaries although all the news sources report it that way.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...lifornia,_2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Result...rimaries,_2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality_(voting)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority
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CNN sues President Trump and top White House aides for barring Jim Acosta as White House Press representative for CNN.

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Pass the popcorn!

I do not know if this approach could be successful but it will certainly keep the issue in front of the voters.
I assume that Acosta could well sue for defamation and have a pretty strong case. Accusations of assault or manhandling, whatever Sanders' precise allegation was, are demonstrably false and damaging to his reputation.
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In other news, we have a Rep with integrity, anyone see Martha McSallys concession speech? well done that woman.
I was disappointed. I really thought her dog was going to chip in with some thoughtful insight.
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Lets wait till we can insert "shows character" and lets see if we 'lose our shit' over it.


In other news, we have a Rep with integrity, anyone see Martha McSallys concession speech? well done that woman.
That was nice, but they're politicians and supposed to appear as decent human beings, behaving in a generally accepted way when their rivals win. Like in sports. We don't really believe Serena was happy for Osaka, do we?

The way I see it - that should be the norm not the exception and we should discuss about totally different things of their campaigns.
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That was nice, but they're politicians and supposed to appear as decent human beings, behaving in a generally accepted way when their rivals win. Like in sports. We don't really believe Serena was happy for Osaka, do we?

The way I see it - that should be the norm not the exception and we should discuss about totally different things of their campaigns.
I totally agree, it should be the norm, sadly the norm is petty namecalling and lying about voter fraud and refusing to concede, Roy Moore still hasn't.

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I might be mis-reading you, so apologies if I go off into left field, but...

In this context, "winning" the popular vote = getting more votes than the other guy/gal, not necessarily a majority of the votes cast. It doesn't always mean you get enough electors in the Electoral College, as Clinton found out. Popular vote majority is not always equivalent WRT to electors (if by electors you mean Electoral College electors).

In some very populous states (California) you can rack up millions of votes, but whether you finish with 50% + 1 vote or 100% you still only get 55 Electoral College electors for that state.

Plurality "wins" too sometimes. Take Trump in the Republican primaries. He "won" 44% of the total primary ballots cast, which is not an absolute majority, but it was enough to get the delegates to secure the nomination. Dial it down to the state level. He "won" all 50 of South Carolina's delegates even though he only received 32.51% of the vote, which was a plurality - more than everyone else but not a majority.

Using your definition, he didn't "win the popular vote" in the primaries although all the news sources report it that way.

Some wikipedia thoughts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...lifornia,_2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Result...rimaries,_2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality_(voting)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority
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Who votes in the Electoral College electors in the different states? (Those 55 people in California for example).

Taking California again: If the Californian people vote for .... Kennedy (let's keep personal actual preferences out of the discussions, LOL), Kennedy gets 55 votes and all of these electors (blue or red) MUST give their vote for Kennedy?
Why must they even vote as the result should be 55 points for .... the red or the blue candidate.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Did trump really confused the baltic with the balkans?
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Who votes in the Electoral College electors in the different states? (Those 55 people in California for example).

Taking California again: If the Californian people vote for .... Kennedy (let's keep personal actual preferences out of the discussions, LOL), Kennedy gets 55 votes and all of these electors (blue or red) MUST give their vote for Kennedy?
Why must they even vote as the result should be 55 points for .... the red or the blue candidate.
Tis complicated. The Constitution says that it's the Electoral College that chooses the president, based on the votes cast by the population. Some old posts of mine a few years back that might help:

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...States can decide to allocate in a variety of ways and it's up to state legislatures to make the call. Opponents of splitting EC votes believe it waters down a state's influence, meaning the candidates won't bother to campaign there. If the country were to switch to "majority of the nationwide popular vote wins", then candidates would only need to campaign in urban centers. Or at least that's how the argument goes.

This article gives a bit more history about how we wound up with the EC in the first place, and mentions a way the states could "change" the EC without changing the Constitution.
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...only 29 of the states mandate how their electors vote.

Here's a little article about the times electors didn't vote for the candidate that won their state's popular vote. They are called Faithless Electors. (JW types faster!)
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...Each state has the same number of Electoral College electors as it has representatives (Senate + House) in Congress. The District of Columbia, which is not represented by a voting member of Congress, gets 3 Electoral College electors. That's equivalent to the number of senators + reps it would have if it was a state.

There are 100 senators - 2 per state. There are 435 members of the House, allocated based on population. The number of House representatives from each state may be adjusted after each census (every 10 years) depending on how much the population of a state has changed up or down.

Total of both houses of Congress = 535. Total EC electors = 538, thanks to DC as mentioned above. Minimum needed to win the EC = 270 (50% + 1 vote).

States can choose how to allocate their electors to the Electoral College. 48 states + DC are winner-takes-all. If a candidate wins the popular vote in his/her state, he/she gets all the EC votes for that state. A few states allocate electors by house district instead. Those are Maine and Nebraska.

There have only been four times (since all states sent electors to the EC) where the person that won the popular vote* did not win the EC - 1876, 1888, 2000, and 2016.

More reading here: https://www.archives.gov/federal-reg...ege/about.html
* Disclaimer - popular vote as I wrote it in this context means plurality, not absolute majority
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Did trump really confused the baltic with the balkans?
Yes, apparently back in April.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-confu...goslav-1210939
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Coincidentally I read in the same Newsweek that you linked, Fox News has boycotted Twitter for the last four days! A great loss for the world

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It is claimed Fox News managing editor Greg Wilson emailed staff members telling them to also not tweet from personal accounts.
So much for the First Amendment

Edit: Luckily Fox News still reports on Trump's tweets.
So this is a one way boycott, reading tweets and reporting on them is OK but writing them is not?

They really are a strange organisation

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The story in the New York Times concerning North Korea developing missile bases is inaccurate.
We fully know about the sites being discussed, nothing new - and nothing happening out of the normal.
Just more Fake News.
I will be the first to let you know if things go bad!
In his annual speech on 1st Jan 2018, N.Korea leader Kim re-emphasised his focus on the weapons programme, but implied the country still has a few stages left to go before achieving its ambitions.
North Korea must "mass-produce nuclear warheads and ballistic missiles and speed up their deployment", he said.

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N. Korea mass producing and deploying nuclear warheads and ballistic missiles is not bad?
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Balticum responsible for war in Balcans. According to genius Trump!
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Let's face it: We will
Yeah true, the shock of it would kill some
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Fox News legal commentator Andrew Napolitano on Tuesday said that rival network CNN may have a "very good case" in its lawsuit against the White House over the Trump administration's decision to revoke reporter Jim Acosta's press pass.

Speaking with host Stuart Varney on the Fox Business Network, Napolitano said that CNN's legal team would prevail against the Trump administration "quickly."

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It is on Fox News so it must be true
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Luckily Fox News still reports on Trump's tweets.
So this is a one way boycott, reading tweets and reporting on them is OK but writing them is not?

They really are a strange organisation
FOX News has no need to read Trump's Twitter. Trump emails his tweets to FOX for approval before tweeting them.

Allegedly.
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Coincidentally I read in the same Newsweek that you linked, Fox News has boycotted Twitter for the last four days! A great loss for the world

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It is claimed Fox News managing editor Greg Wilson emailed staff members telling them to also not tweet from personal accounts.
So much for the First Amendment

Edit: Luckily Fox News still reports on Trump's tweets.
So this is a one way boycott, reading tweets and reporting on them is OK but writing them is not?

They really are a strange organisation
Hmmmm, from your source: << "please refrain from tweeting out our content from either section accounts or your own accounts until further notice.">>
My boss can tell me not to talk about internas too, specially if it's a limited time for a certain company reason.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

There is certainly no chaos in the White House

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First lady Melania Trump, in a remarkable move carried out by her spokeswoman, publicly pushed for the ouster of deputy national security adviser Mira Ricardel.

"It is the position of the Office of the First Lady that (Ricardel) no longer deserves the honor of serving in this White House," the first lady's communications director Stephanie Grisham said in a statement on Tuesday.

Ricardel joined the National Security Council as Bolton's deputy in April after he was named national security adviser.
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Following Session's firing President Trump appears poised to make more high-level staff changes in his administration.
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