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Old 21.11.2018, 12:35
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And in US embassies?

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And in US embassies?

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I suppose he means the ones that go off to fight for ISIS etc.
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Old 21.11.2018, 13:13
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Doing it in an embassy - a safehouse for your citizens in foreign lands - is absolute scumbaggery.
But how can an embassy be a safehouse for someone who lives in exile?
I never understood why he went in there in the first place. Shouldn't he of all people have known what they're capable of?

And in Turkey of all places. Maybe at an embassy in the US or Switzerland the chances to come back out would have been better?

Okay, the US one might turn out to be a bit of a naive thought in hindsight
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Old 21.11.2018, 13:36
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But how can an embassy be a safehouse for someone who lives in exile?
I never understood why he went in there in the first place. Shouldn't he of all people have known what they're capable of?

And in Turkey of all places. Maybe at an embassy in the US or Switzerland the chances to come back out would have been better?

Okay, the US one might turn out to be a bit of a naive thought in hindsight
He went there with his fiancee who lives in Istanbul because he wanted to get married and so wanted to collect some required documents.
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Old 21.11.2018, 13:41
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And the Turks had that constate bugged six ways to Sunday. Where is the outrage about that?

They are both as bad as each other ...

(Two cliches for the price of one)
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Old 21.11.2018, 13:50
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Now Trump repeats Saudi claim Kashoggi was an enemy of the state, very weird statement from Trump here.

Edit: By letting Saudi Arabia get away with the murder of US-based journalist Jamal Khashoggi, the President sent a message of startling clarity about how the United States will conduct its business in the world.

Trump signals US won't punish Saudi crown prince over Khashoggi killing
But more than that, by stressing the "billions" of dollars in Saudi investment in the US, Trump made clear that Washington has a price, that principles that generations of Americans have cherished, are for sale.

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Numan Kurtulmus, the deputy chairman of President Tayyip Erdogan’s AK Party, dismissed Trump’s assessment. “Yesterday’s statement is a comic statement,” he told state broadcaster TRT Haber.

“It is not possible for an intelligence agency such as the CIA, which even knows the color of the fur on the cat walking around the Saudi consulate’s garden ... to not know who gave this order,” he said. “This is not credible either for U.S. public opinion or the world public opinion.”
Source link to Reuters for people tired of reading my usual sources

One of the weirdest parts of this presidency is how the world's largest and possibly best intelligence agencies are either ignored or contradicted!
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Old 21.11.2018, 13:54
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And the Turks had that constate bugged six ways to Sunday. Where is the outrage about that?

They are both as bad as each other ...

(Two cliches for the price of one)
And where is the outrage to those blokes being able to fly into Turkey with very strange luggage and fly out the same day - all on video?

If I try doing this tomorrow, will I be able to?

k_and_e's post got me thinking. Although I would not agree that Trump's way of handling it is wise.
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But how can an embassy be a safehouse for someone who lives in exile?
I never understood why he went in there in the first place. Shouldn't he of all people have known what they're capable of?

And in Turkey of all places. Maybe at an embassy in the US or Switzerland the chances to come back out would have been better?

Okay, the US one might turn out to be a bit of a naive thought in hindsight
Where the embassy is, isn't really relevant. It is de facto Saudi ground even in Turkey/Switz/US. Turkey has no love for Saudi either...unlike the US it seems!

He was not exiled by the Saudi regime, he was in self-imposed exile; which makes a big practical difference to whether he thought he was going to get macerated whilst applying for paperwork, or not. He wasn't a fugitive on the run from Saudi.
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Old 21.11.2018, 16:19
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Watchdog group American Oversight on Wednesday submitted a complaint to the Office of Special Counsel (OSC) concerning what the organization calls a potential Hatch Act violation by Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker.

The complaint is based on reports that Whitaker received political contributions while serving as a federal employee.
Whitaker’s 2014 Iowa U.S. Senate campaign committee is still active and received $8,800 between Jan. 29 and Feb. 2, 2018.

Almost $2K per day, not bad!
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What a bunch! It is also claimed that Whitaker had to make five amendments in the last week to his financial history declaration that such senior Govt. employees have to submit.
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Old 21.11.2018, 16:29
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One of the weirdest parts of this presidency is how the world's largest and possibly best intelligence agencies are either ignored or contradicted!

It's not about that Marton. It's about which block in the Middle East to support. It was a political murder and the leaking of it by Turkey was more than political.

Imagine it was Iran instead of Saudi Arabia. It is most likely that you would never have heard about it from Turkey.


Saudi Arabia just made a huge miscalculation.
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Old 21.11.2018, 16:44
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It's not about that Marton. It's about which block in the Middle East to support. It was a political murder and the leaking of it by Turkey was more than political.

Imagine it was Iran instead of Saudi Arabia. It is most likely that you would never have heard about it from Turkey.

Saudi Arabia just made a huge miscalculation.
This just one of many examples of Trump ignoring his intelligence agencies.

Other than that I agree with your post.

Nevertheless Trump should have handled it differently. What was needed was for Trump to condemn Saudi, Saudi to pay their pound of flesh and then a discreet return to business as usual.
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Old 21.11.2018, 16:57
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Where the embassy is, isn't really relevant. It is de facto Saudi ground even in Turkey/Switz/US. Turkey has no love for Saudi either...unlike the US it seems!

He was not exiled by the Saudi regime, he was in self-imposed exile; which makes a big practical difference to whether he thought he was going to get macerated whilst applying for paperwork, or not. He wasn't a fugitive on the run from Saudi.
I realize that. But he was a critic - isn't that enough to be on the run when it's a critic of the Saudis? .

However, those blokes had to cross the Turkish border, pass accross Turkish land to get to the embassy and back. And the Turks immediately claimed to know what happened (and saw no reason to hide that they knew it) - and yet they let them get back to the airport and out.
The slaughterers all had diplomatic passports?

I know it's all highly complicated and I'm not being blue-eyed. I guess what I really want to point out is that this diplomacy system has become highly debatable and seems no longer administrable. It needs changing.
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Old 21.11.2018, 17:11
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I know it's all highly complicated and I'm not being blue-eyed..
I am. Big blue eyed.

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Old 21.11.2018, 17:32
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Me too. But you're talking physical. I was using the idiom.
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Old 21.11.2018, 17:36
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Me too. But you're talking physical. I was using the idiom.


Let's use it tomorrow at least 5x, in random circumstances.

Another homework, does it really have any influence on voters, what Trump looks like? I secretely accuse French voters to vote Macron in for his slick looks, I wouldn't say the same of Merkel but Trump?
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Let's use it tomorrow at least 5x, in random circumstances.

Another homework, does it really have any influence on voters, what Trump looks like? I secretely accuse French voters to vote Macron in for his slick looks, I wouldn't say the same of Merkel but Trump?
He's obese and orange - I don't think that can be an aspirational look for anyone, can it? Maybe more like a "he looks just like us, so he must be one of us" type of thing.
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Old 21.11.2018, 18:04
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He's obese and orange - I don't think that can be an aspirational look for anyone, can it? Maybe more like a "he looks just like us, so he must be one of us" type of thing.
Never mind orange and obese - he needed a steady job with decent income to have his teeth sorted out. And the Americans seem to care for those in need.

It seems he did, not seen him having this problem lately. So I guess he could resign now?
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Have you done this quiz:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng...t-are-you-quiz

My results:

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Old 21.11.2018, 18:25
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Have you done this quiz:

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Old 21.11.2018, 18:26
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It is a pretty pre-set survey.
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