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it's similar to Obama, Clinton and Reagan.
Yes but that's a comparative versus a fact.
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Despite "the pundits" forecasting the US stock markets would recover today the Dow fell 200 points.

Now the Dow and the S&P 500 are ca. 2% below the 1st Jan level, the Nasdaq is roughly the same as 1st Jan.

Meanwhile the Trump administration on Friday asked the Supreme Court to take up the president's transgender military ban.

Solicitor General Noel Francisco filed a petition to Supreme Court justices Friday asking them to hear the issue currently being debated in three lower courts in order to have the case decided quicker.

No doubt Trump's attacks on the judiciary and the Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts will encourage the Supreme Court to help Trump

A judge in New York has rejected the Trump Foundation's request to dismiss a lawsuit filed in the state alleging that the organization, which was chaired by President Trump and three of his children, was involved in self-dealing and misuse of charity assets.

Justice Saliann Scarpulla wrote in her decision that Trump's lawyers could offer no evidence of an example where a president was immune to prosecution for actions taken in his unofficial capacity before taking office.

Net tightening!
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Was that a question in the survey?

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No, I was just mocking climate change deniers
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It doesn't have to be that way, and I definitely hope things will normalize again and future presidents will exercise more decorum.

I don't at all like the thought of a spawn of Trump wannabees, thinking they can do what he did by copying his style. But alas I think we may see a phase of that. But that will pass.

At worst he's a fool, and at best he's a super genius tactically pretending to be a fool. and in all probability he's somewhere on a sliding scale between the two. That scale doesn't have a Hitler point. People need to see some perspective here.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

On Wednesday, Michael Steele, the former chairman of the Republican National Committee, tweeted

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@potus just shut the hell up and get on the helicopter.
Give us a rest from your crazy.
You don’t know the 9th circuit from a circuit breaker.
It’s thanksgiving for crying out loud.
Let us be thankful for your silence. You’ve said enough this week
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General Anthony Tata: “President Trump is a man of his word & he said he was going to be tough on the Border, and he is tough on the Border. He has rightfully strengthened the Border in the face of an unprecedented threat. It’s the right move by President Trump.” Thanks General!
Who the H**l is General Anthony Tata??

Turns out he retired 3 years ago from the key position of Secretary of the North Carolina Department of Transportation

Tomorrow we anticipate Trump quoting references from the long retired Head of the Milwaukee Sanitation Department

He really is scraping the bottom of some very old barrels
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Funny how often Trump justifies his policies by claiming they are the same as Obama's when most of the time he is attacking Obama and reversing his policies!
Hypocritical or what!

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.@60Minutes did a phony story about child separation when they know we had the exact same policy as the Obama Administration.
In fact a picture of children in jails was used by other Fake Media to show how bad (cruel) we are, but it was in 2014 during O years.
Obama separated children from parents, as did Bush etc., because that is the policy and law.
I tried to keep them together but the problem is, when you do that, vast numbers of additional people storm the Border.
So with Obama (sic) seperation is fine, but with Trump it’s not.
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Trump has repeatedly asserted, misleadingly, that his administration's policy is the same as former President Obama's. While the Obama administration did separate some children from their parents at the border, it was not a "zero tolerance" policy and did not happen with the same frequency as it did under Trump.

Trump said that Obama, as well as former President George W. Bush, separated children from their parents because "that is the policy and law." It was neither a policy nor a law under Trump's predecessors.

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60 Minutes did not use the photo mentioned; whataboutery!
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Funny how often Trump justifies his policies by claiming they are the same as Obama's when most of the time he is attacking Obama and reversing his policies!
Hypocritical or what!



Trump has repeatedly asserted, misleadingly, that his administration's policy is the same as former President Obama's. While the Obama administration did separate some children from their parents at the border, it was not a "zero tolerance" policy and did not happen with the same frequency as it did under Trump.

Trump said that Obama, as well as former President George W. Bush, separated children from their parents because "that is the policy and law." It was neither a policy nor a law under Trump's predecessors.

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60 Minutes did not use the photo mentioned; whataboutery!
The worst bit is that his steady stream of snowflakey tweets sound so whiny and butthurt. Unless he's aiming for a persona that screams "whinging teenage-girl in Snapchat group"?
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Trump creating jobs I don't think.

"General Motors plans to halt production at five factories in North America and cut thousands of jobs.

The company also plans to close three plants outside North America by the end of 2019.

The moves follow rising costs and slowing car sales and come as the US carmaker focuses on its line-up of trucks, electric and self-driving vehicles.

The company said the plan would help it to save about $6bn (£4.7bn).

That includes a 15% reduction the number of its employees, including 25% fewer executives."

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46350057
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Trump tweeted attacking CNN and proposing the US Govt start a world wide TV network to provide pro US propaganda.

The US has had a worldwide Govt radio network (Voice of America) for three quarters of a century. VoA is run by the United States Agency for Global Media (USAGM) which also has some TV networks; bit much to expect Trump to know this

New Gallup poll shows Trump approval at 38% which is a drop from the last poll, 60% disapprove which matches his all time high in this poll£

President Donald Trump said Monday he was pressuring General Motors over its decision to close four plants in the US because of sagging demand for sedans; no doubt GM will immediately reverse their decision
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And that's truly scary. Trump's rhetoric continues to turn out thousands for his rallies, and if they vote in November it's likely the Rs will maintain control of at least one house. Anything that doesn't go their way, or anything that does but with negative consequences, will be "a giant liberal conspiracy". There's absolutely no accountability any more, just blame. It's pretty alarming, and the Ds do not have an answer.

I read the other day that if the Ds take the House again, Pelosi would still be their leader. Seriously? I understand she's a seasoned political veteran, but she's so toxic to getting centrist voters to show up that I don't think it will benefit the Ds.

Even the current prospects for 2020 on the D side are rather meh.
So far nobody is standing as a candidate against Pelosi so it seems she will prevail
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Spanky responds to climate report full of facts and stuff


"I don't believe it"


argghh the stupid, it burns
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"I don't believe it"


argghh the stupid, it burns
That's Spankytalk for "I didn't (or couldn't) read it".
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Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort has "breached" his plea agreement with the Justice Department by lying to the FBI and special counsel Robert Mueller's office two months after he started cooperating in the Russia probe, prosecutors said in a new court filing Monday.
It's rare for criminal defendants' cases to near their end in this manner.

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Seems prosecutors believe they are able to verify or refute information from Manafort so they must have multiple sources. The special counsel's office says it will provide more details at a later date which will be very interesting to hear what they know!

Meanwhile ex campaign adviser Papadopoulos reported to the Federal Correctional Institution prison in Oxford, Wisconsin esterday.

Good time to remember Obama words: "In Washington they have racked up enough indictments to field a football team. Nobody in my administration got indicted. So, how is it that they cleaned things up?"

President Trump and lawmakers from both parties blasted GM for moving to cut jobs nine years after a multibillion-dollar auto industry bailout. While the government rescue package helped save GM, the company has steadily downsized its U.S. manufacturing operations amid lagging sales.
Trump’s tariffs on imported steel and aluminum have spiked production costs for U.S. automakers struggling to compete against foreign rivals.

Canute stopping the tide! However much pressure they put on GM will not stop the falling sales or revive the unpopular models. The new NAFTA agreement will also drive increased US car manufacturing costs.
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"I don't believe it"


argghh the stupid, it burns
Actually somewhat surprisingly, he has somewhat of a roundabout point:

"Right now we're at the cleanest we've ever been and that's very important to me.

"But if we're clean, but every other place on Earth is dirty, that's not so good.


While all countries should of course make an effort to halt climate change, it is our duty and responsibility, if Trump makes policies that harm US economic output, and other rival powers such as Russia and China don't, then it is probably not going to work out well for his policy of making sure the US doesn't lose out to other superpowers.

For climate change to really work in a meaningful way it needs the backing of Russia, China, India etc who are some of the world main polluters and still heavily reliant on fossil fuels.
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Actually somewhat surprisingly, he has somewhat of a roundabout point:

"Right now we're at the cleanest we've ever been and that's very important to me.

"But if we're clean, but every other place on Earth is dirty, that's not so good.


While all countries should of course make an effort to halt climate change, it is our duty and responsibility, if Trump makes policies that harm US economic output, and other rival powers such as Russia and China don't, then it is probably not going to work out well for his policy of making sure the US doesn't lose out to other superpowers.

For climate change to really work in a meaningful way it needs the backing of Russia, China, India etc who are some of the world main polluters and still heavily reliant on fossil fuels.
The difference being, the biggest polluter at present, China, is HEAVILY investing in renewable energy - the spend 25% of all of the world's investment in solar, nearly 40% of all the world's wind investment and 50% of all remaining sources (tidal, hydro, geothermal etc). They can see the way the wind is blowing.

If the US actually invests heavily in alternative energy it will be a huge boon in terms of jobs and staying at the forefront of the market - if they double down on old, dirty sources, they are going to run out of resources, jobs and any tech advantage they have very quickly.

Unfortunately, the US population has been so badly lied to on this issue down the years, that you had rednecks engaging in coal-rolling and other such nonsense. Trump has demonstrated that he doesn't know (or care to research for 5 mins) the difference between weather and climate, and when your President would rather remain willfully ignorant on the topic, what hope for the rest of the country?
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Actually somewhat surprisingly, he has somewhat of a roundabout point:

"Right now we're at the cleanest we've ever been and that's very important to me.

"But if we're clean, but every other place on Earth is dirty, that's not so good.


While all countries should of course make an effort to halt climate change, it is our duty and responsibility, if Trump makes policies that harm US economic output, and other rival powers such as Russia and China don't, then it is probably not going to work out well for his policy of making sure the US doesn't lose out to other superpowers.

For climate change to really work in a meaningful way it needs the backing of Russia, China, India etc who are some of the world main polluters and still heavily reliant on fossil fuels.
On the face of it, that seems reasonable, although that approach displays no leadership whatsoever and is what one would expect of a billionaire in his 70s with a short term view, who has no concern for anyone else.

Let's break down those two lines:

"Right now we're at the cleanest we've ever been and that's very important to me."

The cleanest the USA has ever been? Since when? 1776? 1850? 1950? Since Obama became President (Trump's focal point for everything)? Bollocks, in short.

"But if we're clean, but every other place on Earth is dirty, that's not so good."

Every other place on Earth? Really? Either Trump's grasp of geography is even worse that we all already knew, or once again, he is lying outrageously to play to his redneck base.

Don't take everything you hear from Trump as gospel. I would have thought you'd have figured out by now that the man is a fool who parrots whatever nonsense is fed to him by his closest "advisors".
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Don't take everything you hear from Trump as gospel. I would have thought you'd have figured out by now that the man is a fool who parrots whatever nonsense is fed to him by his closest "advisors".
Not sure if serious.
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Not sure if serious.
You're the one who quoted Trump and proclaimed him to have a "roundabout point".

Yes, seriously, don't quote a clueless fool and tell us he's right!
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