Will Trump be a Good President? - Page 875

Ouchboy · #**17481** 27.11.2018, 14:49

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	Yes, seriously, don't quote a clueless fool and tell us he's right!

what 22y sai...wait...
#confused #paradox? #lolwat

taduncombe · #**17482** 27.11.2018, 15:27

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	I meant to post last weekend that after 666 days DJT has the lowest approval of any clown, sorry, president since the 2nd world war. Anyway, five days later, as you were ... https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/

True, but his support within his party is at a near-historic high for a President. At 89% approval according to the most recent Gallup poll.

Looking at Gallup polling all the way back to Truman in 1947, only one president had higher approval in their party at this stage in their presidency (~665 days in). It was George W. Bush at 94% still on his post 9/11 bump.

https://news.gallup.com/interactives...val%2520Center (you have to select the presidents name, then "own party" to see the various polls)

Trump may not be a conservative as defined by National Review editors, but the conservative voting block sure loves him. It's really telling. As long as you're tear gassing migrants and cutting taxes for corporations then corruption, incompetence, cozying up to monarchs that torture and dismember US permanent residents/journalists, and trillion dollar deficits (borrowing for tax cuts) are OK for the vast majority of Republicans.

taduncombe · #**17483** 27.11.2018, 15:47

File this under "Holy Shit!"

Trump's campaign manager visited WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange several times at the Ecuadorian Embassy. Including a few months before WikiLeaks began releasing hacked emails from Clinton's campaign manager, John Podesta. Hacked by Russian GRU agents.

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	Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort held secret talks with Julian Assange inside the Ecuadorian embassy in London, and visited around the time he joined Trump’s campaign, the Guardian has been told. Sources have said Manafort went to see Assange in 2013, 2015 and in spring 2016 – during the period when he was made a key figure in Trump’s push for the White House. ... A separate internal document written by Ecuador’s Senain intelligence agency and seen by the Guardian lists “Paul Manaford [sic]” as one of several well-known guests. It also mentions “Russians”. According to two sources, Manafort returned to the embassy in 2015. He paid another visit in spring 2016, turning up alone, around the time Trump named him as his convention manager. The visit is tentatively dated to March. ... According to the dossier written by the former MI6 officer Christopher Steele, Manafort was at the centre of a “well-developed conspiracy of cooperation” between the Trump campaign and Russia’s leadership. The two sides had a mutual interest in defeating Clinton, Steele wrote, whom Putin “hated and feared”. In a memo written soon after the DNC emails were published, Steele said: “The [hacking] operation had been conducted with the full knowledge and support of Trump and senior members of his campaign team.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...dorian-embassy

marton · #**17484** 27.11.2018, 17:06

	Quote:	taduncombe
	True, but his support within his party is at a near-historic high for a President. At 89% approval according to the most recent Gallup poll. Looking at Gallup polling all the way back to Truman in 1947, only one president had higher approval in their party at this stage in their presidency (~665 days in). It was George W. Bush at 94% still on his post 9/11 bump. https://news.gallup.com/interactives...val%2520Center (you have to select the presidents name, then "own party" to see the various polls) Trump may not be a conservative as defined by National Review editors, but the conservative voting block sure loves him. It's really telling. As long as you're tear gassing migrants and cutting taxes for corporations then corruption, incompetence, cozying up to monarchs that torture and dismember US permanent residents/journalists, and trillion dollar deficits (borrowing for tax cuts) are OK for the vast majority of Republicans.

There is a theory that a lot of people have left the GOP so the only ones left are Trump fans; hard to prove, of course.

marton · #**17485** 27.11.2018, 21:02

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	Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump Very disappointed with General Motors and their CEO, Mary Barra, for closing plants in Ohio, Michigan and Maryland. Nothing being closed in Mexico & China. The U.S. saved General Motors, and this is the THANKS we get! We are now looking at cutting all @GM subsidies, including for electric cars. General Motors made a big China bet years ago when they built plants there (and in Mexico) - don’t think that bet is going to pay off. I am here to protect America’s Workers!

General Motors indeed made a big China bet years ago and it proved to be very successful. GM is the largest seller of foreign cars in China and sells many more per year in China than in US.

So it is highly unlikely that GM would even consider closing Chinese factories! Makes more commercial sense for them to expand in China and to cut down in US.

Cutting GM subsidies would need Congress approval which will be hard to get. It is not well known which GM subsidies other than for electric cars exist; for electric cars the subsidies only apply to the first 200K cars sold and GM is anyway only 4K sales short of this limit.

EDIT: Trump keeps claiming GM should be more grateful for their Govt. financial bailout that began in 2008 and not lay off people.
Actually most commentators are complaining that GM just got a huge Trump tax cut so should not behave like this; I assume Trump is avoiding mentioning his tax cut which in the GM case clearly failed to generate the US business investments and US job growth he promised!

marton · #**17486** 28.11.2018, 00:22

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	Trump on Tuesday blamed Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell for a string of negative economic developments, including the stock market's recent slide and General Motors' plan to shutter U.S. factories and lay off thousands of workers. “So far, I’m not even a little bit happy with my selection of Jay,” Trump told The Post. “Not even a little bit. And I’m not blaming anybody, but I’m just telling you I think that the Fed is way off-base with what they’re doing.”

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LOL! just LOL!

marton · #**17487** 28.11.2018, 14:24

Do not know whether to laugh or cry

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	CNN ran fact-check graphics while broadcasting White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders's briefing on Tuesday. The network aired split screen on-screen "Facts First" graphics highlighting aspects of the government's climate change report while Sanders discussed the report's findings.

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Laugh because it was a funny thing to do or cry because the White House is so publicly dishonest!

amogles · #**17488** 28.11.2018, 14:52

	Quote:	marton
	There is a theory that a lot of people have left the GOP so the only ones left are Trump fans; hard to prove, of course.

Should be easy to prove. Surely statistics are available for f the number of people who renounce party membership in any given year. Is that figure up, down, or about the same as usual?

marton · #**17489** 28.11.2018, 16:35

Trump retweeted this picture today, he really is a disgrace as the US President; no doubt his base love him!

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marton · #**17490** 28.11.2018, 17:23

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	Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump Steel Dynamics announced that it will build a brand new 3 million ton steel mill in the Southwest that will create 600 good-paying U.S. JOBS. Steel JOBS are coming back to America, just like I predicted. Congratulations to Steel Dynamics!

Steel Dynamics shares immediately dropped 9% today.
The new steel mill will not go into production before 2021 and by then Trump and his steel tariffs will possibly be gone.
It is only Trump's steel tariffs which make US steel production profitable, more details here.

3Wishes · #**17491** 28.11.2018, 17:26

	Quote:	amogles
	Should be easy to prove. Surely statistics are available for f the number of people who renounce party membership in any given year. Is that figure up, down, or about the same as usual?

Not all voters are affiliated with a political party, so it would be hard to say that any changes are a result of loving or hating Trump.

For example, some states have closed primaries. That is, one must be affiliated with a political party in order to vote in the primary election. At least some people register as Republican or Democrat in order to vote in a primary, but immediately change registration to independent or unaffiliated after. It helps cut down on all the political spam mails and robo-calls.

marton · #**17492** 28.11.2018, 19:53

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Defense Secretary James Mattis briefed senators Wednesday on U.S.-Saudi relations ahead of a key vote later in the afternoon on a resolution that would end U.S. military support to a Saudi-led coalition fighting in Yemen’s civil war.

They also told senators that it was the White House’s decision not to send CIA Director Gina Haspel to the Senate briefing on Saudi Arabia.

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) told reporters after the briefing. “I cannot recall a briefing on such a sensitive nature where we have been denied access to the intelligence agencies of the United States.”

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Seems not only Putin but also the Saudis have something on Trump

Or is it Vulcan mind control via the orb?

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#**17493** 28.11.2018, 22:07

	Quote:	taduncombe
	File this under "Holy Shit!" Trump's campaign manager visited WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange several times at the Ecuadorian Embassy. Including a few months before WikiLeaks began releasing hacked emails from Clinton's campaign manager, John Podesta. Hacked by Russian GRU agents. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...dorian-embassy

FAKE NEWS Guardian strikes again

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status...41352124100608

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status...31696143241217

marton · #**17494** 28.11.2018, 22:22

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	FAKE NEWS Guardian strikes again https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status...41352124100608 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status...31696143241217

Guardian only needs to publish 5,000 more lies to catch up with Trump

marton · #**17495** 28.11.2018, 22:29

Also from the Guardian

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	An ally of Nigel Farage was asked to obtain secret information from WikiLeaks for Donald Trump’s team during the 2016 election campaign, according to US investigators. The allegation emerged in a draft legal document drawn up by Robert Mueller

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So much happening!

marton · #**17496** 28.11.2018, 23:28

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	Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Defense Secretary James Mattis briefed senators Wednesday on U.S.-Saudi relations ahead of a key vote later in the afternoon on a resolution that would end U.S. military support to a Saudi-led coalition fighting in Yemen’s civil war. They also told senators that it was the White House’s decision not to send CIA Director Gina Haspel to the Senate briefing on Saudi Arabia. Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) told reporters after the briefing. “I cannot recall a briefing on such a sensitive nature where we have been denied access to the intelligence agencies of the United States.” Source

The White House strategy failed.
The Senate advanced the resolution on Wednesday to end U.S. support for the Saudi-led military campaign in Yemen by 63 to 37, dealing a significant blow to the Trump administration.

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Less than an hour before the vote, the White House also released a statement of administration policy threatening to veto the resolution.

Senators have grown increasingly frustrated with Saudi Arabia amid growing questions about if it is limiting civil casualties in Yemen and the death of Washington Post contributor Jamal Khashoggi.

If Trump does veto or block the resolution then likely the Senate will turn to other means of blocking his policies to pressure him.

#**17497** 29.11.2018, 08:18

	Quote:	Loz1983
	FAKE NEWS Guardian strikes again https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status...41352124100608 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status...31696143241217

Maybe, maybe not. We'll see how this develops. Personally and in general I find Assange has lost all credibility over the last years.

At least the Guardian had the balls to also include Assange's denial in the story:

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	In a series of tweets WikiLeaks said Assange and Manafort had not met. Assange described the story as a hoax.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...dorian-embassy

#**17498** 29.11.2018, 09:28

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	Maybe, maybe not. We'll see how this develops. Personally and in general I find Assange has lost all credibility over the last years. At least the Guardian had the balls to also include Assange's denial in the story: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...dorian-embassy

How about they just verify their “sources” before printing bollocks?

#**17499** 29.11.2018, 10:02

	Quote:	Loz1983
	How about they just verify their “sources” before printing bollocks?

What newspaper anywhere does that if the source is confidential? Ever heard of the notion of journalists protecting their sources?

And again - I'll wait for the trial before deciding if it's bollocks or not. At the moment it is two sides 100% disagreeing with each other, neither you nor I know the truth.

#**17500** 29.11.2018, 10:39

	Quote:	Loz1983
	FAKE NEWS Guardian strikes again https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status...41352124100608 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status...31696143241217

Usual Loz fake fake news, you posted a denial that the grauniad included in their story as evidence it was fake news. Thats the same as saying "Well Julian said it didn't happen so it must be fake" best wait for the outcome of the suit before parroting Spanky.

The daftest part is wikileaks claiming a scoop, no scratch that the daftest part is you fell for it. The Graun reached out to Wikileaks for comment before publication, (thats called journalism) wikileaks, instead of responding, published a denial then claimed to have scooped the Graun.

The wait for you to post a real example of fake news continues......

ps. loved the 'again' at the end, as if you had any other examples that stood up to the briefest of scrutiny, thats called a snuck premise btw.