But saiya-jin's comment on environment and the poor's rights being infringed on is correct. Just check how he dealt/is dealing with the problems his golf property is creating in Scotland - water, neighbors and environment.

Fair point, although the poor's rights and environment are debatable and only provable after the fact.

If you think this is an acceptable way to have a discussion--to bring up debatable points, just to throw obvious lies in the middle---but the other points could be true, can we ignore the blatant lies??!??

Why the groans St2leman and tormund - are you denying Trump as not said all of the above- really? It is rather well documented, no?

Is it debatable that his property has affected the lives of his neighbours who are being bullied?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIdLTRmNCNA

It is also a fact that he has little regard for the legal framework. Loopholes all the way?

It's debatable whether his political policies will negatively effect the majority of blue-collar job people from rural regions in the US. If your argument against that is the placement of a golf course in Scotland, well I'm I might be at a loss of words. I will admit, I struggle to discuss topics against a void of logic.

You can be at a loss for words all you want. My above example wasn't a hyperbole, it was just one example of how he does business. Do you think any of his businesses or business dealings benefit/ted the blue collar folk?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...tles/84995854/

http://europe.newsweek.com/how-donal...s-china-505717

It is illogical that a person like this could run for the highest office of the USA. I am still hopeful though.

Better, more valid points, but again as I mentioned, how he treats them as President over the next four years is only conjecture. It's valid for you to say: I think he will not treat them well based on his historical practices.

A glimpse into what draining the swamp will look like:
Exit America’s Old Elite

Not quite Friday but here it is. Check the date of the quote (Yikes!)

Maybe he is just positioning himself to renege on some campaign promises " I have to be President for all, not just special interest groups!"

Your link does not show Trump, nor the context.

Tom

I think Trump will be good president.
So, as a business man he didn't pay a lot of people for his projects (hotels, casinos, golf courses)
His does all that legally. It's the law.
Big companies / celebrities don't (avoid/ pay less or none) pay their are taxes by following the law. It's legal. On this note - he will take best deals for his country.

Today I read everywhere how people are scared in USA and around the world.
Scared of what?
Let's look back at USA and the world in the past few months; wars, mass shootings, involvement in overseas military operations, discrimination in every dimension, corruption, poverty, you name it.
It's already happening well before Trump.

People have no water and food on their table - but we spend billions looking for water on another planet.

We are broken!

The context is quite clear -I am a bit concerned I have to explain this to you, ae you feeling unwell?

He is reading a letter he has written to Trump post his 'unification' speech - telling hime why he is not accepting it. As clear as a bell, thanks. He mirror what 100s or 1000s of us are thinking too.

Yes, but you are not American, so who cares what you are thinking?

Tom

I've got a few things to say on this subject that I didn't find in the first 5 pages of this thread (after that I didn't bother as it usually descends into attacks):

- Since Trump was repudiated by just about everyone in Washington D.C., and by Wall Street (meaning no financial contributions to his campaign), he is not beholden to special interests unlike everyone else inside the Beltway. That really does make him an outsider, and will give him a lot of leverage on Congress since they will owe him favours for their reelection on Tuesday. He can also reach out to Democrats with this.

- Trump doesn't care about minorities because he cares about Americans. That's everyone except the foreigners and especially the illegal foreigners. Get that in your head, political correctness died on Tuesday, and identity politics with it.

- He isn't an ideologue, and that, combined with the fact that the Republican Party controls both chambers of Congress, means things will at last get done, unlike for the past 6 years of logjam. Expect laws to start coming out at quite a pace till January 2019. There's nothing bad with that.

- Reproductive rights are in danger, but that will be fought out till the bitter end. I do expect Trump to be able to nominate a good 2-3 SCOTUS judges, possibly more depending on their lifespan.

- NATO countries will have to spend more on defence, and it's about time they did, they've been freeloading for too long.

- Foreign Policy will be a fun one to predict, but everything is up for consideration. Gulf states in particular should be nervous on this.

- It's a complete disgrace that demonstrations were held to protest such a cleancut electoral result in multiple cities, this shows the "progressive" Left's true, undemocratic, colours. It's unpatriotic, and it just makes the people who voted for Trump feel validated that they've stopped this "social justice warrior" madness by one decisive move.

- The Bushes and Clintons are finally out of the game. Dynasties aren't healthy in democracies, just look at how it ended in Greece!

- Don't expect the Democrats to win in 2018, they're at real risk of retreating to the left and choosing the Corbyn type option. They neglected, insulted and denigrated the white working class as well as the lower middle class, and clearly that's no longer going to work. The cultural elites who mock these people better not lecture them on who to vote for again...

- As in Europe, the cultural divide between those living insulated in large cities, compared to those in the rural/small to medium size towns is growing. Expect more electoral results that will shock your views if you watch and read the media too much.

- International free trade agreements are now on endangered species list. About time too. The lashback again outsourcing and offshoring was a long time coming but it was deserved.

- And finally, a traitorous criminal who acted as if she was entitled and deserved the presidency was denied it. A fine night it was.

Putin, Netanyou, LePen, Farage, Gilders, Al-Assad, Erdogan - are not American either.

Several things I do not agree with, but a fine summary nonetheless.

Admirable leaders, all of them.

But what have they to do with this election?

Tom

Perhaps Odile doesn't know the rules. It's quite simple really:

When America does something right, the rest of the world doesn't notice.
When America does something wrong, America doesn't notice.

During his campaign Trump said Obama had increased National Debt and he Trump would reduce it or pay it off.
Now Trump is announcing spending ideas that could add 7 trillion to the National debt.

Of course these ideas would generate growth and jobs.