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Declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel and moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem.
Visited Jerusalem’s Western Wall and prayed, a first for any sitting U.S. president.
Signed the Taylor Force Act prohibiting aid to the Palestinian Authority if it funds terrorism.
Cut $225 million from the Palestinian Authority.
Delivered the first F-35 stealth jets to Israel.
Withdrew from The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) citing “anti-Israel bias.”
Cut $300 million in aid to Pakistan.
Cut all U.S. funding for UNRWA, the U.N. agency serving Palestinian refugees-it’s a politicized and pro-Palestinian organization, which perpetuates the refugee issue.
Withdrew from the anti-Israel U.N. Human Rights Council
Appointed pro-Israel Nikki Haley to serve as U.S. Ambassador at the United Nations, who has assumed a more assertive role and negotiated $285 million cut in U.N. budget.
Withdrew America from the Iran deal, imposed tough sanctions and pledged to stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.
Closed the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) office in Washington, D.C.
Approved a 10-year military aid package for Israel, providing $3.8 billion annually to secure Israel’s defense.
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Decreased black and Hispanic unemployment to a record low.
Decreased jobless claims at the lowest level since 1969.
Black business ownership jumped nearly 400 percent.
Increased consumer confidence to the highest level in 18 years.
Decreased youth unemployment to 52-year low.
Increased median income to highest in history.
Increased business investments 39 percent.
Decreased food stamp use by 500,000 in one month.
Increased homebuilding permits to the highest since 2007.
Increased oil production to 10 million barrels a day for the first time since 1970, making US largest oil importer in the World.
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Or even worse, copy-paste simplistic, petty, reductive posts made by others on twitter.
Hmmm
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Stopped $230 million in rebuilding payments to Syria.
Brought back soldiers’ remains from the Korean War.
Secured release of American prisoners from North Korea.
Negotiated peace talks between North and South Korea.
Signed an order calling for work requirements for welfare.
Nominated the first woman to lead the CIA.
Proposed largest civil service change in 40 years - “Hire the best and fire the worst.”
Signed bipartisan bill to combat synthetic opioids.
Decreased federal bureaucracy by 16,000 positions and slashed government regulations.
I think a lot of this stuff has been chewed over in the thread and much of it doesn't seem to stand up to too much scrutiny if you dig into the details.

But, hey, they make for good headlines and soundbites to soothe the masses, don't they?
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But my all time fav. remains his narrative of Fake Media. The MSM, that fountain of eternal bullshit & trolling that is the biggest danger to democracy & sanity right now.
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I think a lot of this stuff has been chewed over in the thread and much of it doesn't seem to stand up to too much scrutiny if you dig into the details.

But, hey, they make for good headlines and soundbites to soothe the masses, don't they?
So most of this list is false and these events never took place?

P.S. Forgot to mention:
Challenged NAFTA and renegotiated it on more beneficial terms to US.
Challenged China's IP and trading policies and practices imposing hefty tariffs.
Withdrew from pointless Paris accord, undermining EU bureaucrats & their chance to virtue signal to their constituents while raising taxes.
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But my all time fav. remains his narrative of Fake Media. The MSM, that fountain of eternal bullshit & trolling that is the biggest danger to democracy & sanity right now.
The true fountain of eternal bullshit and fake news is Trump himself. Average of 15 lies a day in 2018 (and that's only public pronouncements).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.b52cb4f8f2dc

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...s-factcheckers
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So most of this list is false and these events never took place?
Where did I say that?

Devil's in the detail, is all I'm saying. You seem to lap up the big bold headlines but sometimes it's useful to dig deeper into the story and the details.

Man bites dog and all that.
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The true fountain of eternal bullshit and fake news is Trump himself. Average of 15 lies a day in 2018 (and that's only public pronouncements).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.b52cb4f8f2dc

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...s-factcheckers
True that, but as long as it is clear to anyone with a brain.....Trump has no clout of legitimacy like BBC or CNN have.
Thus Trump is not a danger, BBC and CNN are.
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Old 06.03.2019, 18:16
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Where did I say that?

Devil's in the detail, is all I'm saying. You seem to lap up the big bold headlines but sometimes it's useful to dig deeper into the story and the details.

Man bites dog and all that.
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I think a lot of this stuff has been chewed over in the thread and much of it doesn't seem to stand up to too much scrutiny if you dig into the details.

But, hey, they make for good headlines and soundbites to soothe the masses, don't they?
This is where you sad that. Disliking Trump is one thing, but becoming a true believer is not a good thing.
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True that, but as long as it is clear to anyone with a brain.....Trump has no clout of legitimacy like BBC or CNN have.
Thus Trump is not a danger, BBC and CNN are.
Fancy coming up with a significantly large lie out of the BBC (I'm not a CNN watcher) that they haven't owned up to and apologised for?

How many times has Trump apologised for his lies?

Oh and you believe the President of the US has no clout of legitimacy? They used to have, at least to a reasonable degree before Trump. And if Trump hasn't, that's his own doing.
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This is where you sad that. Disliking Trump is one thing, but becoming a true believer is not a good thing.
What on earth are you rambling on about?

Saying something doesn't stand up to scrutiny is NOT the same as saying it didn't happen. It just possibly didn't happen in the way the Trump publicity machine would like people to believe.
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Fancy coming up with a significantly large lie out of the BBC (I'm not a CNN watcher) that they haven't owned up to and apologised for?

How many times has Trump apologised for his lies?

Oh and you believe the President of the US has no clout of legitimacy? They used to have, at least to a reasonable degree before Trump. And if Trump hasn't, that's his own doing.
As every kid knows apologies are important.
I am still waiting for US media apology for perpetuating Iraq War narrative created by CIA and Bush state dept. I will not hold my breath though waiting for it.
But, but when it finally comes; that will be a m-f of apology and will provide a closure for all those who died or suffered needlessly.
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As every kid knows apologies are important.
I am still waiting for US media apology for perpetuating Iraq War narrative created by CIA and Bush state dept. I will not hold my breath though waiting for it.
But, but when it finally comes; that will be a m-f of apology and will provide a closure for all those who died or suffered needlessly.
You are the very definition of scattergun whataboutery.
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So most of this list is false and these events never took place?

P.S. Forgot to mention:
Challenged NAFTA and renegotiated it on more beneficial terms to US. - NAFTA is not renegotiated; it will only be renegotiated after Trump asks Congress to approve it and Congress approve whatever they make it onto.
Challenged China's IP and trading policies and practices imposing hefty tariffs. - Tariffs are just an extra hefty tax on American consumers. So far the results are an ever growing US trade deficit and a huge fall in the US stock market, GDP is below 3% and heading down
Withdrew from pointless Paris accord, undermining EU bureaucrats & their chance to virtue signal to their constituents while raising taxes. - So far the "great deal maker" has only reneged on deals?
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You are the very definition of scattergun whataboutery.
Let me connect the dots for you.
MSM = fake narratives, trolling for eye-balls = ad. revenue.
MSM apologies = (picture of a dogshit).
I hope that explains it.
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Let me connect the dots for you.
MSM = fake narratives, trolling for eye-balls = ad. revenue.
MSM apologies = (picture of a dogshit).
I hope that explains it.
I've tried to read Ulysses. Your prose is even harder to follow.
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Let me connect the dots for you.
MSM = fake narratives, trolling for eye-balls = ad. revenue.
MSM apologies = (picture of a dogshit).
I hope that explains it.
MSM prints factual news; when Trump does not like the facts they print he labels them fake news. When Trump likes the facts they print he quotes them in tweets.

Trump = fake narratives = trolling for votes.
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Congress might attach partisan demands to before the approval but it is renegotiated. So you are wrong about it. You should have said : "It has not been approved by Congress yet".

Obviously trade war is just started and it is painful, but it needed to be done.
No leader in the World has challenged China's incredible arrogance and lawlessness up to now. BTW, no one knows what UK or US GDP numbers are, as it is all hot air coming from Financial markets that is counted towards GDP.
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MSM occasionally prints factual news; when Trump does not like the facts they print he labels them fake news. When Trump likes the facts they print he quotes them in tweets.

Trump = fake narratives = trolling for votes.
I concede, it is a brilliant strategy.
He ran against both parties establishment, practically unison condemnation of MSM around the Globe and he won. He must be doing something right. Oh, I know. He is using MSM tactics against them and it sticks.

P.S. As someone already opined, perhaps it will all reset to pre-Trump status quo. And we all resume sleepwalking through life reading news papers and online blogs while nodding our heads. But I hope not.
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Declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel and moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem.
Visited Jerusalem’s Western Wall and prayed, a first for any sitting U.S. president.
Signed the Taylor Force Act prohibiting aid to the Palestinian Authority if it funds terrorism.
Cut $225 million from the Palestinian Authority.
Delivered the first F-35 stealth jets to Israel.
Withdrew from The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) citing “anti-Israel bias.”
Cut $300 million in aid to Pakistan.
Cut all U.S. funding for UNRWA, the U.N. agency serving Palestinian refugees-it’s a politicized and pro-Palestinian organization, which perpetuates the refugee issue.
Withdrew from the anti-Israel U.N. Human Rights Council
Appointed pro-Israel Nikki Haley to serve as U.S. Ambassador at the United Nations, who has assumed a more assertive role and negotiated $285 million cut in U.N. budget.
Withdrew America from the Iran deal, imposed tough sanctions and pledged to stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.
Closed the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) office in Washington, D.C.
Approved a 10-year military aid package for Israel, providing $3.8 billion annually to secure Israel’s defense.
Most sane people - especially those that wants to see an end of the conflict in Israel/Palestine would call pretty much ALL of the above as crazy and counterproductive in my opinion.

Especially the Iran behavior cost the US _massive_ amounts of credibility internationally, ESPECIALLY from it's (former) allies in Europe.

But then you're a Trump supporter from what it seems, so it's pretty much clear I'm talking to someone who doesn't let rational arguments count.
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Congress might attach partisan demands to before the approval but it is renegotiated. So you are wrong about it. You should have said : "It has not been approved by Congress yet".

Obviously trade war is just started and it is painful, but it needed to be done.
No leader in the World has challenged China's incredible arrogance and lawlessness up to now. BTW, no one knows what UK or US GDP numbers are, as it is all hot air coming from Financial markets that is counted towards GDP.
NAFTA is not renegotiated, it is currently a draft Agreement. Congress must approve it and so must the Mexican and Canadian governments; if they do not all approve it then it is in the dustbin.

Mexico and Canada have both stated they will not ratify USMCA before Trump drops his steel and aluminium tariffs which tariffs are not mentioned in USMCA.

US House Ways and Means Chairman Richard Neal said it won’t be easy to get the new North American pact through Congress, adding that it’s unclear whether renegotiation will be necessary to get the votes it needs for passage.

Currently USMCA is dead in the water, even Trump himself has not yet moved forward by formally asking Congress to start the approval process. Trump missed the boat, he should have gone for approval while the GOP had a Congress majority.

It is true no leader in the World has challenged China's incredible arrogance and lawlessness up to now. Now it looks like Trump will fail to achieve much and so demonstrate why other leaders avoided this challenge

It is clear that Trump believes the GDP numbers as he keeps quoting them publicly so your claim they are hot air is not relevant to anything in the real world
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