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Old 24.03.2019, 21:25
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This is a long but substantiative and informative article regarding the media's failure regarding the "Russian Collusion" case and the repercussions of their failure. From a former Rolling Stone journalist, a Democrat "centrist", Matt Taibbi. Well worth the read if you have the time...

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russia...mes-a-million?
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Old 24.03.2019, 21:31
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Special Counsel report summary from US AG.
1. The report confirms Russia interfered in the 2016 election¨.
The investigation did not establish that members of Trump's campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian Govt. to support election interference

2. Obstruction of Justice
This report does not conclude the President committed a crime. It also does not exonerate him!
Allow me:

- Trump didn't collude with Russia

- Trump campaign didn't collude with Russia

- Mueller didn't make decision on obstruction of justice

- AG and Deputy AG decided Trump didn't obstruct justice

- No more indictments
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Old 24.03.2019, 21:33
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Well this has aged well:

https://twitter.com/michaelavenatti/...73253619806209

Oh, and Pocahontas is running for President! Happy New Year
And now the reply has aged even better
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Old 24.03.2019, 21:35
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So we can now all agree that when Trump said it was a Witch Hunt led by the Fake News Media, he was absolutely right.
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Old 24.03.2019, 21:44
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So we can now all agree that when Trump said it was a Witch Hunt led by the Fake News Media, he was absolutely right.
<sigh>

Convictions:8
Acquittals:0


do the math (again)
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Old 24.03.2019, 21:51
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Convictions:8
Acquittals:0


do the math (again)
Déjà vu? Now you're supposed to say something about moving goalposts.
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Old 24.03.2019, 21:54
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So we can now all agree that when Trump said it was a Witch Hunt led by the Fake News Media, he was absolutely right.
You can't have it both ways, Loz. A witch hunt would have ended in many more indictments, charges of obstruction of justice, etc. of Trump and his closest family members, regardless of the truth. Witch hunts don't end with a whimper.

This was a thorough investigation that resulted in numerous people who committed crimes being arrested, making plea bargains, being convicted, sentenced to jail, etc.

Just because Trump, Don Jr and Kushner weren't brought up on charges in this investigation it doesn't mean they were lily-white innocent of everything. Doesn't mean they won't face other charges in New York or elsewhere. Members of Trump's team wanted to collude - that's even in Don Jr's emails. But they didn't manage it.

This tweet sums it up:
https://twitter.com/mviser?ref_src=t...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

That said, CNN's coverage this weekend has been atrocious. You can tell the network is sorely disappointed the investigation wound up as it did.

Trump loves to have an opponent to bash and battle. Now that the Mueller investigation wrapped up, I guess he'll have to turn his attention to the however many angry Democrats are running against him in 2020.
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I don't know what kind of drugs you take, but it must be good stuff to see reality in such a completely different way than anyone else.. (obviously directed at our wanna-be North Korean like supporter..)
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Old 24.03.2019, 22:43
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So we can now all agree that when Trump said it was a Witch Hunt led by the Fake News Media, he was absolutely right.
You do not accept Mueller's closing report is correct?
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Old 25.03.2019, 00:17
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So we can now all agree that when Trump said it was a Witch Hunt led by the Fake News Media, he was absolutely right.
Another case of "read the headline, didn't bother with the story", Lolz?

If you'd read up about the report, you'd have found this line from Mueller, repeated by Trump's Attorney-General, Bill Barr:

"While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
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Old 25.03.2019, 01:02
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So we can now all agree that when Trump said it was a Witch Hunt led by the Fake News Media, he was absolutely right.
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You can't have it both ways, Loz. A witch hunt would have ended in many more indictments, charges of obstruction of justice, etc. of Trump and his closest family members, regardless of the truth. Witch hunts don't end with a whimper.

This was a thorough investigation that resulted in numerous people who committed crimes being arrested, making plea bargains, being convicted, sentenced to jail, etc.

Just because Trump, Don Jr and Kushner weren't brought up on charges in this investigation it doesn't mean they were lily-white innocent of everything. Doesn't mean they won't face other charges in New York or elsewhere. Members of Trump's team wanted to collude - that's even in Don Jr's emails. But they didn't manage it.

This tweet sums it up:
https://twitter.com/mviser?ref_src=t...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

That said, CNN's coverage this weekend has been atrocious. You can tell the network is sorely disappointed the investigation wound up as it did.

Trump loves to have an opponent to bash and battle. Now that the Mueller investigation wrapped up, I guess he'll have to turn his attention to the however many angry Democrats are running against him in 2020.
Muller's investigation was a thorough investigation. The press coverage was a witch hunt.
<<A witch hunt would have ended in many more indictments, charges of obstruction of justice, etc. of Trump and his closest family members, regardless of the truth. Witch hunts don't end with a whimper.>>
They used to - centuries ago. Thanks to people like Muller some of them no longer do.

I am surprised about the reactions here - and elsewhere. Everyone counted on Muller - he did not deliver according to desire.
Muller has my utmost respect for doing a proper job.
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Old 25.03.2019, 01:24
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One interesting point in Barr's letter "during the investigation Mueller referred several matters to other offices"

We know a couple of matters like Cohen were referred to the Southern district of New York.
But what was referred to "other offices"?
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Déjà vu? Now you're supposed to say something about moving goalposts.
Wasn't worth saying anything new lad, you parroted some Spanky-speak about witchhunt, I proved you wrong, you parroted your Spanky-speak about witchhunt. I guess you thought this would be a triumphant series of postings and everyone would be forced to admit they were wrong and carry you shoulder high round the forum, sorry it hasn't worked out for you.
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You can't have it both ways, Loz. A witch hunt would have ended in many more indictments, charges of obstruction of justice, etc. of Trump and his closest family members, regardless of the truth. Witch hunts don't end with a whimper.

This was a thorough investigation that resulted in numerous people who committed crimes being arrested, making plea bargains, being convicted, sentenced to jail, etc.

Just because Trump, Don Jr and Kushner weren't brought up on charges in this investigation it doesn't mean they were lily-white innocent of everything. Doesn't mean they won't face other charges in New York or elsewhere. Members of Trump's team wanted to collude - that's even in Don Jr's emails. But they didn't manage it.

This tweet sums it up:
https://twitter.com/mviser?ref_src=t...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

That said, CNN's coverage this weekend has been atrocious. You can tell the network is sorely disappointed the investigation wound up as it did.

Trump loves to have an opponent to bash and battle. Now that the Mueller investigation wrapped up, I guess he'll have to turn his attention to the however many angry Democrats are running against him in 2020.
I agree Mueller was just doing his job, but make no mistake, this was a witch hunt pushed by the main stream media, political commentators and the Democrats. Instead of doing serious analysis and reporting they pushed this conspiracy theory that came from cloud cuckoo land. And all because people can't accept the fact that Trump legitimately won a Presidential election. Sad.
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Another case of "read the headline, didn't bother with the story", Lolz?

If you'd read up about the report, you'd have found this line from Mueller, repeated by Trump's Attorney-General, Bill Barr:

"While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
Let's remind ourselves about what you said about the Mueller investigation, and what I said about it...





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Right, people should be allowed to break the law in order to positively influence their position... when it suits you, right, Loz?

Do you know why such a huge fuss is being made about Robert Mueller's investigation in the US? It's because Trump has been accused of exactly the same thing, illegally influencing a plebiscite to create an advantage for himself. It's illegal over there, too. Perhaps Mueller is mentally ill?
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It's mental illness because:

a) it won't work
b) there is zero evidence that this spending error swung the referendum result
c) it's trying to overturn a democratic vote on a technicality
d) it stinks of desperation
e) it shows people STILL can't accept the result of a referendum
f) it won't work

Point's b), d) and e) also apply to the Mueller investigation. Likely a) and f) too.
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Let's revisit that on 30 March, shall we, Loz?

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Old 25.03.2019, 08:59
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I agree Mueller was just doing his job, but make no mistake, this was a witch hunt pushed by the main stream media, political commentators and the Democrats. Instead of doing serious analysis and reporting they pushed this conspiracy theory that came from cloud cuckoo land. And all because people can't accept the fact that Trump legitimately won a Presidential election. Sad.
To be fair it was mostly pushed by Trump, he tweeted 529 times about the Mueller probe! If he had kept quiet then probably it would have been mostly ignored.
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Old 25.03.2019, 09:06
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"While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
If you ever needed a real-life example of what Schrödinger's cat is, just refer to Trump who happens to be guilty and not guilty for the same thing at the same time.
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If you ever needed a real-life example of what Schrödinger's cat is, just refer to Trump who happens to be guilty and not guilty for the same thing at the same time.
How can you be guilty of obstructing investigation into a crime that wasn't committed?
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How can you be guilty of obstructing investigation into a crime that wasn't committed?
This is technically possible. Trump was indeed trying to obstruct the investigation by bullying and at some point went directly to threaten with thousands of hairy bikers (not the cooking type) going on the streets.

However, William Barrs interpretation is clearly done while he was still having a weekend hangover.
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