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Old 25.03.2019, 10:25
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When people say witch hunt, I think of the scene from Holy Grail where they dump the suspected witch into the lake. Trump probably floats, so i guess he’s a duck.

Just release the damn thing to the public.
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Old 25.03.2019, 10:27
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When people say witch hunt, I think of the scene from Holy Grail where they dump the suspected witch into the lake. Trump probably floats, so i guess he’s a duck.

Just release the damn thing to the public.
"Mueller report: Trump cleared of conspiring with Russia"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47688187

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Old 25.03.2019, 10:46
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How can you be guilty of obstructing investigation into a crime that wasn't committed?
That's typical Loz "logic". As if you can't be guilty of perjury, say, after lying under oath during an investigation that didn't lead to an indictement.
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"Mueller report: Trump cleared of conspiring with Russia"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47688187

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But that’s Barr’s summary, is it not? Mueller stopped short of exonerating Trump for obstruction. At the very least, Congress should have access to everything.
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Old 25.03.2019, 11:42
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How can you be guilty of obstructing investigation into a crime that wasn't committed?

Personally I think he managed to cover himself and to bribe the right people again. He dodged another bullet. He still lied blatently about his Russian business dealings, meeting Putin etc. just that he got away without proof of collusion doesnt mean he didnt, and I dont think we could say that it wasnt in his nature to cheat, lie and con his way into his current position.



That also doesnt mean that Russia didnt have a hand in the outcome of the election, just that there was no proof that Trump was in collusion with Russia in the lead up to and during the election.
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How can you be guilty of obstructing investigation into a crime that wasn't committed?
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Seriously?
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Personally I think he managed to cover himself and to bribe the right people again. He dodged another bullet. He still lied blatently about his Russian business dealings, meeting Putin etc. just that he got away without proof of collusion doesnt mean he didnt, and I dont think we could say that it wasnt in his nature to cheat, lie and con his way into his current position.



That also doesnt mean that Russia didnt have a hand in the outcome of the election, just that there was no proof that Trump was in collusion with Russia in the lead up to and during the election.
Have to say I very much doubt this, that Spanky is a horrific man-baby is beyond doubt, but Mueller is not, the guy is as straight as they come and pain-in-the-ass thorough. I'ts not exactly a surprise though, I thought it very unlikely there was collusion. Obstruction is another matter, I don't understand why more evidence was needed than Spanky admitting it on camera to Lester Holt but thats the bit Mueller passed off to Barr and I don't think Barr is anywhere near as by the book as Mueller.
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Old 25.03.2019, 16:19
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The way things are going, Trump will be a shoo-in in 2020.

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Personally I think he managed to cover himself and to bribe the right people again. He dodged another bullet. He still lied blatently about his Russian business dealings, meeting Putin etc. just that he got away without proof of collusion doesnt mean he didnt, and I dont think we could say that it wasnt in his nature to cheat, lie and con his way into his current position.

That also doesnt mean that Russia didnt have a hand in the outcome of the election, just that there was no proof that Trump was in collusion with Russia in the lead up to and during the election.
So after:

- 2 years of investigation
- $25.2 mn cost
- 19 lawyers assisted by around 40 FBI agents & analysts issued:
- 2,800 subpoenas
- executed nearly 500 search warrants
- interviewed around 500 witnesses

You don't believe the outcome of the investigation?
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The way things are going, Trump will be a shoo-in in 2020.

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Yup! This charade will result two things:

1) Many won't what the MSM print about Trump in the future
2) Trump can carry on playing the victim
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Old 25.03.2019, 16:43
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So after:

- 2 years of investigation
- $25.2 mn cost
- 19 lawyers assisted by around 40 FBI agents & analysts issued:
- 2,800 subpoenas
- executed nearly 500 search warrants
- interviewed around 500 witnesses

You don't believe the outcome of the investigation?
Nope. Nada.

I just believe it was too embarrassing for the US to really expose how much of its political system had really been infiltrated. Therefore case dropped. There was so much damning information coming to light in the lead up to the report, where did it all go? Seriously?

Of course I am disappointed, but what were we hoping for, really that Trump or some of his family would be shipped off to Sing Sing? It wouldn't happen its too damaging for the US' global image.

Swept under a carpet and everybody can sleep tight at night again.
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Old 25.03.2019, 18:31
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After two years investigation, Mueller was unable to decide if Trump obstructed Justice or not.

Only 48 hours after receiving this report Barr was able to determine Trump did not obstruct justice! Credible or not?

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Yup! This charade will result two things:

1) Many won't what the MSM print about Trump in the future
2) Trump can carry on playing the victim
1) Why? because of all those made-up stories in the msm? those only exist in your head, unless you can provide an example...…?
2) Spanky doesn't need this to play the victim.
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So after:

- 2 years of investigation
- $25.2 mn cost
- 19 lawyers assisted by around 40 FBI agents & analysts issued:
- 2,800 subpoenas
- executed nearly 500 search warrants
- interviewed around 500 witnesses

You don't believe the outcome of the investigation?
All those people charged, found guilty and sentenced to prison? Yes, I believe that did happen.
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Old 25.03.2019, 19:56
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How can you be guilty of obstructing investigation into a crime that wasn't committed?
"While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime..." is not the same as "While this report concludes that the president did not commit a crime..." But of course, Trump doesn't understand that. He even claimed total exoneration, despite Mueller specifically ruling that out.

I am certain that Mueller chose his words very carefully. The door has been left ajar.
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Old 25.03.2019, 21:03
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The door has been left ajar.
Will somone please close the door then? After hearing about Russia this and Russia that I dont think anyone wants to be Russian into another investigation any time soon. Most people are sick of hearing about it. So they had a few trolls on social media and leaked a few truths about Hillary Clinton. Big. Freaking. Deal.
Over it.
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Old 25.03.2019, 21:28
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How can you be guilty of obstructing investigation into a crime that wasn't committed?
Do pull out your dictionary once in a while. An investigation is just that - looking into whether or not a crime was committed. Obstruction of justice means interfering with that process.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/lega...20of%20justice

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So after:

- 2 years of investigation
- $25.2 mn cost
- 19 lawyers assisted by around 40 FBI agents & analysts issued:
- 2,800 subpoenas
- executed nearly 500 search warrants
- interviewed around 500 witnesses

You don't believe the outcome of the investigation?
Meanwhile people conveniently forget that the Ken Starr investigation lasted 6 years and cost $70 million.

As for the outcome of the investigation, it doesn't exonerate Trump and his family/friends. The report simply says there's not sufficient evidence to bring charges - not that there's NO evidence whatsoever. End result is the same, though. Trump wins.
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Old 25.03.2019, 21:35
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So after:

- 2 years of investigation
- $25.2 mn cost
- 19 lawyers assisted by around 40 FBI agents & analysts issued:
- 2,800 subpoenas
- executed nearly 500 search warrants
- interviewed around 500 witnesses

You don't believe the outcome of the investigation?
For me the weirdest part of this probe was that so many of Trump's associates lied about their contacts with Russians and so finished up indicted and in jail!

But why did they lie? It is clear from the evidence presented that their contacts with these Russians were not illegal or collusion or whatever so I repeat "why did they lie"?

Or was there more to these contacts than what Mueller discovered?
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Do pull out your dictionary once in a while. An investigation is just that - looking into whether or not a crime was committed. Obstruction of justice means interfering with that process.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/lega...20of%20justice
BBC reporting it akin to what I said.

"Instead, Mr Barr - in consultation with Department of Justice staff - decided not to prosecute, in part because there was no apparent underlying crime to obstruct."

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"While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime..." is not the same as "While this report concludes that the president did not commit a crime..." But of course, Trump doesn't understand that. He even claimed total exoneration, despite Mueller specifically ruling that out.

I am certain that Mueller chose his words very carefully. The door has been left ajar.
Remarkable how quickly the narrative changes. This is what is known as clutching at straws.
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BBC reporting it akin to what I said.

"Instead, Mr Barr - in consultation with Department of Justice staff - decided not to prosecute, in part because there was no apparent underlying crime to obstruct."

Remarkable how quickly the narrative changes. This is what is known as clutching at straws.
Indeed the narrative changed very quickly, Barr decided after only 48 hours not to prosecute when Mueller could not decide this after two years despite;
- 2 years of investigation
- $25.2 mn cost
- 19 lawyers assisted by around 40 FBI agents & analysts issued:
- 2,800 subpoenas
- executed nearly 500 search warrants
- interviewed around 500 witnesses

Anyway good to see you quoting and believing the BBC so soon after you posted nobody will believe the MSM any more!
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