Will Trump be a Good President? - Page 940

marton · #**18781** 11.04.2019, 14:05

	Quote:	fduvall
	Obama's appointee, John Koskinen, was still in charge of the IRS at this point in time and even served out his full term. But there is no satisfying you. Have you heard about the "missing" Lois Lerner emails or the investigation that led to her invoking her 5th amendment right against self incrimination and her eventual removal? You can read all about it on CNN, here. I am done with you, Marton... really, you seem to be trolling most of the time.

Yet another link with nothing about Obama weaponizing the IRS!
You may well be correct about Obama but so far you have provided nothing to support your claim!

greenmount · #**18782** 11.04.2019, 18:41

	Quote:	fduvall
	Seriously? You can Google Obama and IRS and see the plethora of links that come up. Start with this one, from Judicial Watch. I voted for Obama twice and was disgusted by this and numerous instances where "his" people conveniently overlooked situations where people should have been indicted or investigated (check into AG Eric Holder or Loretta Lynch). The FBI and DOJ were stacked with "his" people: Comey, McCabe, Yates, Rosenstein, Strzok, Lisa Page. If you don't think they were colluding and obstructing justice, then you are really just ignoring what is in front of your eyes. And I almost forgot about the ties that are about to be disclosed by the IG, regarding the FBI and DOJ and the FISA warrants. Can't wait for that one! For Marton, even if there were Republican or independent members, when the TOP is controlled by a tight knit group loyal to Obama, you think people are going to risk their jobs? Doesn't happen very often...

You voted for Obama the second time too even if you noticed those numerous instances? Hmm.

reids · #**18783** 11.04.2019, 20:25

	Quote:	fduvall
	Obama's appointee, John Koskinen, was still in charge of the IRS at this point in time and even served out his full term. But there is no satisfying you. Have you heard about the "missing" Lois Lerner emails or the investigation that led to her invoking her 5th amendment right against self incrimination and her eventual removal? You can read all about it on CNN, here. I am done with you, Marton... really, you seem to be trolling most of the time.

Have you actually read the npr article you posted? I was expecting something drawing a line between Obama and the IRS actions, like, Oh I dunno Kosknen perhaps saying 'Obama told me to do it' but there's not even a hint Obama was behind it, your 'weaponized' claim is dead on arrival.

marton · #**18784** 11.04.2019, 20:35

	Quote:	reids
	Have you actually read the npr article you posted? I was expecting something drawing a line between Obama and the IRS actions, like, Oh I dunno Kosknen perhaps saying 'Obama told me to do it' but there's not even a hint Obama was behind it, your 'weaponized' claim is dead on arrival.

I would guess his claim is based on Obama appointing the people. Unlike Trump where most of his appointees are facing jail or were fired or under investigation!!

#**18785** 11.04.2019, 20:46

Perhaps i‘m getting old and dim, but what‘s the point of dredging up Obama‘s transgressions. As you suggest, perhaps history will be unkind to him.

I suppose I‘m focused on this because throughout Trump‘s time in office, it‘s been nothing but distraction...shit happens, but everyone‘s attention is turned to some other stupid shit. And media carry a big responsibility for furthering this. Just like the sheer repetition of Trump nonsense during the election cycle put him out there again and again. Not to hammer on the past, but I believe that without this constant repetition and reinforcement, he might not have been the candidate at all.

terrifisch · #**18786** 11.04.2019, 20:51

Breaking News: Michael Avenatti Charged with embezzling millions from clients.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/11/p...les/index.html

This WSJ article goes into much more detail:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-36-...ti-11554993767

3Wishes · #**18787** 11.04.2019, 22:31

	Quote:	terrifisch
	Breaking News: Michael Avenatti Charged with embezzling millions from clients. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/11/p...les/index.html This WSJ article goes into much more detail: https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-36-...ti-11554993767

Ugh, now there's the definition of a sleazy lawyer. I feel like I should bleach my eyes every time I see his name.

terrifisch · #**18788** 11.04.2019, 22:47

	Quote:
	Perhaps i‘m getting old and dim, but what‘s the point of dredging up Obama‘s transgressions. As you suggest, perhaps history will be unkind to him. I suppose I‘m focused on this because throughout Trump‘s time in office, it‘s been nothing but distraction...shit happens, but everyone‘s attention is turned to some other stupid shit. And media carry a big responsibility for furthering this. Just like the sheer repetition of Trump nonsense during the election cycle put him out there again and again. Not to hammer on the past, but I believe that without this constant repetition and reinforcement, he might not have been the candidate at all.

I agree and the media bears much responsibility here. They/the media are my issue and as you write, they helped Trump win the election. Something needs to change in the US as I believe the general public no longer trusts that the media are unbiased and objective. Frankly, I don't know where we go from here. What a mess on all levels

fduvall · #**18789** 11.04.2019, 23:22

Hmm what? He was running against Romney, who I happen to despise. With Obama, there was a pattern of behavior that didn't really emerge until his 2nd term and is becoming more evident now. Again, I don't think history will be kind to the Obama years. That is my prediction. Time will tell.

	Quote:	greenmount
	You voted for Obama the second time too even if you noticed those numerous instances? Hmm.

fduvall · #**18790** 11.04.2019, 23:31

What is the point? If we are going to look at where collusion might have started, if we want to look at what happened to the IRS, FBI and most/all of the intelligence organizations, where else are we going to look? The first place to start is the prior administration. And then before that. I know Bush's Neo-cons were crooked as the day is long. And before that, you had Bill Clinton and Bush 41. Lots of dirt to sift through. I think Mueller did a thorough job of the first two years of the Trump admin. And the Democratically controlled House is going to keep on investigating, until the public votes them out again.

Sure, the media is complicit. Paul Ryan just joined the Fox board. I wonder if they will muzzle Hannity, Tucker Carlson and anyone else who is pro-Trump. Watch for it...

	Quote:
	Perhaps i‘m getting old and dim, but what‘s the point of dredging up Obama‘s transgressions. As you suggest, perhaps history will be unkind to him. I suppose I‘m focused on this because throughout Trump‘s time in office, it‘s been nothing but distraction...shit happens, but everyone‘s attention is turned to some other stupid shit. And media carry a big responsibility for furthering this. Just like the sheer repetition of Trump nonsense during the election cycle put him out there again and again. Not to hammer on the past, but I believe that without this constant repetition and reinforcement, he might not have been the candidate at all.

fduvall · #**18791** 11.04.2019, 23:43

Oh, so you expect this to be like a Perry Mason episode, where everyone confesses at the end to wrap things up cleanly? WTF

Weaponizing an organization can mean stacking it with your people who know what their mandate is. When an organization suddenly starts harassing certain groups with obviously the opposite political affiliation and then get fired/removed/sanctioned/forced to apologize... you don't think this was planned?

No, they did not all go to a meeting where they gave the secret handshake and Leader Obama told them how it was going to be... Both sides are (usually) smarter than that.

I am not sure what "proof" you are looking for. It is all in front of your eyes, and you don't need to go to Fox/Breitbart to find it.

	Quote:	reids
	Have you actually read the npr article you posted? I was expecting something drawing a line between Obama and the IRS actions, like, Oh I dunno Kosknen perhaps saying 'Obama told me to do it' but there's not even a hint Obama was behind it, your 'weaponized' claim is dead on arrival.

marton · #**18792** 12.04.2019, 01:23

	Quote:	fduvall
	What is the point? If we are going to look at where collusion might have started, if we want to look at what happened to the IRS, FBI and most/all of the intelligence organizations, where else are we going to look? The first place to start is the prior administration. And then before that. I know Bush's Neo-cons were crooked as the day is long. And before that, you had Bill Clinton and Bush 41. Lots of dirt to sift through. I think Mueller did a thorough job of the first two years of the Trump admin. And the Democratically controlled House is going to keep on investigating, until the public votes them out again. Sure, the media is complicit. Paul Ryan just joined the Fox board. I wonder if they will muzzle Hannity, Tucker Carlson and anyone else who is pro-Trump. Watch for it...

Nothing happened to the FBI and most/all of the intelligence organizations? Or do you have evidence to support your claims?

marton · #**18793** 12.04.2019, 01:37

	Quote:	fduvall
	What is the point? If we are going to look at where collusion might have started, if we want to look at what happened to the IRS, FBI and most/all of the intelligence organizations, where else are we going to look? The first place to start is the prior administration. And then before that. I know Bush's Neo-cons were crooked as the day is long. And before that, you had Bill Clinton and Bush 41. Lots of dirt to sift through. I think Mueller did a thorough job of the first two years of the Trump admin. And the Democratically controlled House is going to keep on investigating, until the public votes them out again. Sure, the media is complicit. Paul Ryan just joined the Fox board. I wonder if they will muzzle Hannity, Tucker Carlson and anyone else who is pro-Trump. Watch for it...

Former U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan joins board of Fox News’ parent company.
Paul Ryan said in 2016 that he was "sickened" by Donald Trump's lewd comments about women, this was after the "pussy grabbing" tape.
So what will be his role? We could be in for some interesting times

marton · #**18794** 12.04.2019, 01:59

	Quote:
	President Trump said Thursday that he "absolutely" believes there was "unprecedented" spying on his campaign in 2016, a day after Attorney General William Barr made the assertion during testimony on Capitol Hill.

Source

Pity, I thought Barr was a reasonable choice for AG but he seems to be turning into a Trump echo chamber

Barr does not seem to be the best choice for enforcing constitutional separation of powers between the Dept. of Justice and the White House?

reids · #**18795** 12.04.2019, 08:14

	Quote:	fduvall
	Oh, so you expect this to be like a Perry Mason episode, where everyone confesses at the end to wrap things up cleanly? WTF Weaponizing an organization can mean stacking it with your people who know what their mandate is. When an organization suddenly starts harassing certain groups with obviously the opposite political affiliation and then get fired/removed/sanctioned/forced to apologize... you don't think this was planned? No, they did not all go to a meeting where they gave the secret handshake and Leader Obama told them how it was going to be... Both sides are (usually) smarter than that. I am not sure what "proof" you are looking for. It is all in front of your eyes, and you don't need to go to Fox/Breitbart to find it.

This is tinfoil hat stuff. The thread's about Trump, take your Obama conspiracy theories to another thread. Obama did a lot wrong but this 'The head of the IRS did bad things, and who appointed him? I'm just saying you maybe should think about that' is Hannity-esque.

fduvall · #**18796** 12.04.2019, 10:52

Yes, this thread is about Trump... and it doesn't take "tinfoil hat stuff" to connect the dots and see where two years of harassment originated. Strzok and Page got caught using their positions in the FBI to try to undermine a Presidential candidate.

Does that not bother you? John Brennan at the CIA and several years of him blathering on about Trump and collusion... Unprecedented for an ex head of CIA. He now apologizes saying he may have had bad intel.

So don't tell me to take my posts to another thread. Open your eyes. Since the Kennedy assassination, people have been afraid to dig under the covers of the US IC. After Snowden, there seems to be a growing appetite to understand what is happening there and I no longer accept what we are told at face value...

	Quote:	reids
	This is tinfoil hat stuff. The thread's about Trump, take your Obama conspiracy theories to another thread. Obama did a lot wrong but this 'The head of the IRS did bad things, and who appointed him? I'm just saying you maybe should think about that' is Hannity-esque.

MusicChick · #**18797** 12.04.2019, 11:02

	Quote:	fduvall
	Yes, this thread is about Trump... and it doesn't take "tinfoil hat stuff" to connect the dots and see where two years of harassment originated. Strock and Page got caught using their positions in the FBI to try to undermine a Presidential candidate. Does that not bother you? John Brennan at the CIA and several years of him blathering on about Trump and collusion... Unprecedented for an ex head of CIA. He now apologizes saying he may have had bad intel. So don't tell me to take my posts to another thread. Open your eyes. Since the Kennedy assassination, people have been afraid to dig under the covers of the US IC. After Snowden, there seems to be a growing appetite to understand what is happening there and I no longer accept what we are told at face value...

Good for you.

"Derailing" or "trolling" are just names people use for opponents when they don't get something, anyways.

#**18798** 12.04.2019, 11:26

	Quote:	fduvall
	Yes, this thread is about Trump... and it doesn't take "tinfoil hat stuff" to connect the dots and see where two years of harassment originated. Strock and Page got caught using their positions in the FBI to try to undermine a Presidential candidate.

And here was me thinking they just exchanged text messages saying they didn't like Trump.

fduvall · #**18799** 12.04.2019, 11:27

And this thread hasn't even started to question what many are starting to call Spygate... If it is shown that that the IC under the Obama Administration was actively spying on a presidential candidate, and may have continued to surveil a sitting president, this will dwarf Watergate and just about any govt malfeasance that I can recall.

Tinfoil hat stuff? We'll see. I think it is prudent to go back now and investigate what happened, as it seems directly related to what is purported to be included in the Mueller Report. Brennan, Schiff, Strzok, CNN... time to ferret out the truth.

	Quote:	reids
	This is tinfoil hat stuff. The thread's about Trump, take your Obama conspiracy theories to another thread. Obama did a lot wrong but this 'The head of the IRS did bad things, and who appointed him? I'm just saying you maybe should think about that' is Hannity-esque.

fduvall · #**18800** 12.04.2019, 11:28

Maybe contribute to the discussion instead of leaving endless snarky one-liners...

	Quote:
	And here was me thinking they just exchanged text messages saying they didn't like Trump.