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Old 12.04.2019, 11:20
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Maybe contribute to the discussion instead of leaving endless snarky one-liners...
Let's not pretend anyone's trying to have a discussion on here. We are chock full of conspirational diatribe, but pretty light on any debate.
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Let's not pretend anyone's trying to have a discussion on here. We are chock full of conspirational diatribe, but pretty light on any debate.
Is that your private definition of trolling, then?

Or is a conspirational theory now another term for critical thinking? Looking for answers?

I think Trump cannot do worse than what's happened under Obama. Let's let people opine, why not. Or whoever wants to compete in Google skills aka 'providing credible sources'. I am glad CNN got mentioned as not credible. I'll give them 5yrs max.
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To opine or not to opine... Trump is a damn sight more dangerous than Obama IMO. He's a petulant teenager who has never seriously heard the word no... even if it's been said directly to him.
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Old 12.04.2019, 11:59
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

He is unpredictable, that's why there is so much disproportional outrage. Under his presidency, lot of the stuff that was never meant to be disclosed, is getting out or will get out. All the pseudo accusations that media sell and people posture with, esp regarding ethics, is just panic and fear caused by Trump's unpredictability. This is his schtick and it seems to work. He works hard on this image. I wish it wasn't that way...tbh. But it doesn't prevent me from recognizing it.
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Is that your private definition of trolling, then?
Sometimes I genuinely cannot fathom how your mind works.

For the record, forcefully stating your case which you believe in - as bonkers as I think it might be - is certainly not trolling. I don't think Fduvall is trolling, I think he believes it and I disagree with his point of view.

I think you might be trolling though
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Old 12.04.2019, 12:12
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Wow... just wow! So questioning the narrative is now "conspirational diatribe..." I would prefer to not use the term echo chamber to describe this viewpoint as it will probably be construed as pejorative. But what are we doing here, if not debating?

You say that Stzrok and Page were just exchanging email? What about his primary role in the FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton’s email server? CNN reported that Strzok changed Comey’s earlier draft language describing Clinton’s actions as ‘grossly negligent’ to ‘extremely careless.' Grossly negligent is a phrase with legal significance as that is the standard needed to prove criminality. Stzrok was a major player at the FBI, not just a junior field guy.

Lots of questions here, and not just about Stzrok/Page... at least as many as the Dems had about possible collusion in the Trump camp. So is it reasonable to investigate? Or is it just more tin foil hat stuff?



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Old 12.04.2019, 12:14
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Sometimes I genuinely cannot fathom how your mind works.

For the record, forcefully stating your case which you believe in - as bonkers as I think it might be - is certainly not trolling. I don't think Fduvall is trolling, I think he believes it and I disagree with his point of view.

I think you might be trolling though
You mean "being light on a debate" as everyone jn your words is here?

Of course he means it. I agree with him.

I actually don't see any bonkers ideas here, nor do I think Trump is bonkers. I think he got access to info that makes him craft out certain public image for himself, to keep feeding this unpredictability pose. To shrug him off and discredit him as an idiot or troll, is short sighted. Plus it gets done in such hysterical way, ughh.

Cherish your opponents. They have patience with you and show effort and good will in speaking out.

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Old 12.04.2019, 12:20
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And here was me thinking they just exchanged text messages saying they didn't like Trump.
Indeed, the Inspector General concluded Strzok and Page work was professional.

BTW, according to Fox News Brennan did not apologise. In fact he said; "he still believes there are clear examples of attempted inappropriate communication with the Russians, adding he was “not all that surprised that the high bar of criminal conspiracy was not met.”"

Despite the Trump trade tariffs, in March Chinese exports rose 14.2 percent from a year earlier, customs data showed on Friday, the strongest growth in five months. Maybe they are finding other markets outside the US?

The US are also finding other markets to supply import needs that are subject to tariffs if bought from China so the trade gap is little changed.

Meanwhile United States Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein is still clinging to his job in the DOJ despite many claims he would leave.
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Old 12.04.2019, 12:24
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Wow... just wow! So questioning the narrative is now "conspirational diatribe..." I would prefer to not use the term echo chamber to describe this viewpoint as it will probably be construed as pejorative. But what are we doing here, if not debating?

You say that Stzrok and Page were just exchanging email? What about his primary role in the FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton’s email server? CNN reported that Strzok changed Comey’s earlier draft language describing Clinton’s actions as ‘grossly negligent’ to ‘extremely careless.' Grossly negligent is a phrase with legal significance as that is the standard needed to prove criminality. Stzrok was a major player at the FBI, not just a junior field guy.

Lots of questions here, and not just about Stzrok/Page... at least as many as the Dems had about possible collusion in the Trump camp. So is it reasonable to investigate? Or is it just more tin foil hat stuff?
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Old 12.04.2019, 12:25
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He is unpredictable, that's why there is so much disproportional outrage. Under his presidency, lot of the stuff that was never meant to be disclosed, is getting out or will get out. All the pseudo accusations that media sell and people posture with, esp regarding ethics, is just panic and fear caused by Trump's unpredictability. This is his schtick and it seems to work. He works hard on this image. I wish it wasn't that way...tbh. But it doesn't prevent me from recognizing it.
It's not unpredictability or schtick... the POTUS should not be a comic sketch or a train wreck. Boris Johnson cultivates an image, Trump just, worryingly, is. He's been given the reins and lashes out with them. If his youngest son were 18 I'm certain he'd be in situ as"advisor" too. He tweets from the oval office with that Kardashian woman by his side after they've been talking about prison reform. Her greatest "achievements" this far is attempting to "break" the internet by getting nekkid, again, and not smothering Kanye in his sleep. Trump doesn't think. He just does. As he pleases.

The accusations aren't pseudo. It's not ethical posturing. Where do you get that from? Fine if you like the guy and agree with his politics, but to try and downplay his impact...what stuff has been disclosed that shouldn't have been?
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He is unpredictable, that's why there is so much disproportional outrage. Under his presidency, lot of the stuff that was never meant to be disclosed, is getting out or will get out. All the pseudo accusations that media sell and people posture with, esp regarding ethics, is just panic and fear caused by Trump's unpredictability. This is his shtick and it seems to work. He works hard on this image. I wish it wasn't that way...tbh. But it doesn't prevent me from recognizing it.
Just to take a step back for a moment; you are stating that a leader of the free world who behaves unpredictably causes disproportionate outrage?

For one thing, I think the word "outrage" has been completely overused thus far and is now a lazy substitution for the word "disagree" because if the word "outrage" is used it shuts down any counter-argument. It paints anyone with an opposing view as somehow hysterical and angry which is an easy point to score, but that's beside the point.

His unpredictability comes from his fear which is down to his ignorance. It has been exemplified time and time again by his shoot-from-the-hip tweets, his car crash interviews and press conferences, and his poorly briefed spokespeople who are shoved out into the waiting press corps with a prepared speech which has tissue-thin logic.

I think what he provokes in people is far worse that outrage. It's pity.
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What happened to Phos?
Found the echo chamber and fan club elsewhere which he was craving on here maybe?
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I mean..cheeky monkey, hahahaha.

I am not a big fan of CNN, they don't do journalism
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Just to take a step back for a moment; you are stating that a leader of the free world who behaves unpredictably causes disproportionate outrage?

For one thing, I think the word "outrage" has been completely overused thus far and is now a lazy substitution for the word "disagree" because if the word "outrage" is used it shuts down any counter-argument. It paints anyone with an opposing view as somehow hysterical and angry which is an easy point to score, but that's beside the point.

His unpredictability comes from his fear which is down to his ignorance. It has been exemplified time and time again by his shoot-from-the-hip tweets, his car crash interviews and press conferences, and his poorly briefed spokespeople who are shoved out into the waiting press corps with a prepared speech which has tissue-thin logic.

I think what he provokes in people is far worse that outrage. It's pity.
Agree with most of those sentiments, although I don't know anyone that would realistically pity Trump. He doesn't deserve any pity or sympathy because that would imply he can't help what he does. He can help it, thus he only deserves our condemnation for the terrible human being that he is who sadly happens to be in charge of the worlds most powerful nation.
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Wow... just wow! So questioning the narrative is now "conspirational diatribe..." I would prefer to not use the term echo chamber to describe this viewpoint as it will probably be construed as pejorative. But what are we doing here, if not debating?
Debating takes two sides who listen to the other side's argument and respond. Both sides parroting information they've pasted from Google is no more a debate than a horse farting at a goat.

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You say that Stzrok and Page were just exchanging email?
Where? I never once mentioned them emailing each other. If you read other people's posts, you can respond to what they say - see point above.
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Agree with most of those sentiments, although I don't know anyone that would realistically pity Trump. He doesn't deserve any pity or sympathy because that would imply he can't help what he does. He can help it, thus he only deserves our condemnation for the terrible human being that he is who sadly happens to be in charge of the worlds most powerful nation.
I'm not sure he can help it (well, partly anyway). The rage-tweeting every time someone triggers him is almost pathological. He has to respond immediately, aggressively and publicly which hints at an incandescent anger he can barely contain.

I'm wondering if there is the same collection of material during his presidency, by which I mean a film crew and photographers following him round capturing his day-to-day life at the WH in the same way as they did for previous presidents.

That'll be an interesting watch once he's been turfed out.
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Ah, I see... So, IIRC, you feel that if someone doesn't agree with you then they must not be listening to you... as how else could he/she not come to the same conclusion? Maybe I misunderstand the concept of debate

And you DID use the term "text", so technically, I misspoke. But text/email are interchangeable in the context of our discussion.

And if you want to call out "parroting information they've pasted from Google" pls refer to Marton, who has made this his standard.

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Where? I never once mentioned them emailing each other. If you read other people's posts, you can respond to what they say - see point above.
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Ah, I see... So, IIRC, you feel that if someone doesn't agree with you then they must not be listening to you... as how else could he/she not come to the same conclusion? Maybe I misunderstand the concept of debate

And you DID use the term "text", so technically, I misspoke. But text/email are interchangeable in the context of our discussion.
No, all good, you've corrected your mistake now.
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I am not a big fan of CNN, they don't do journalism
Neither am I. But just switch for 2 min to FOX and you instantly realize CNN is actually pretty mild and unbiased. It's all relative.

I like Trump. He has proven that the average voter is an absolute moron and will serve as a warning to every democracy and its voters for years to come.
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Neither am I. But just switch for 2 min to FOX and you instantly realize CNN is actually pretty mild and unbiased. It's all relative.
So the best defence of CNN is that they're still better than Fox?

Isn't that setting the bar pretty low when defining good journalism?

Besides which, i don't agree that CNN is better than Fox, because Fox is so obviously and comically out and beyond that it has entertainment value, whereas CNN is so dressed up to look serious that it's sad.
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