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Old 12.04.2019, 13:16
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So the best defence of CNN is that they're still better than Fox?

Isn't that setting the bar pretty low when defining good journalism?
As I said, everything is relative. Obama was not a great president, but he was better that trump. Is the bar too low? probably, but that's what you've got.
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Old 12.04.2019, 13:28
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Neither am I. But just switch for 2 min to FOX and you instantly realize CNN is actually pretty mild and unbiased. It's all relative.

I like Trump. He has proven that the average voter is an absolute moron and will serve as a warning to every democracy and its voters for years to come.

Except that this mindset of yours, that "average voter is an absolute moron" is exactly what got Trump where he is. And I feel you don't even know why.

These "average and complete morons" are going to do all there is to have more victories and will not trouble themselves to actually ask you for common civility and respect.

If you think democracy translates to you offending different opinions than is yours, maybe there is a warning, yes. But not the kind you meant.
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Old 12.04.2019, 13:32
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If you think democracy translates to you offending different opinions than is yours, maybe there is a warning, yes. But not the kind you meant.
You see the problem with democracy then? Even half-brained apes, like myself, get an equal vote as you.
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Old 12.04.2019, 13:32
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So the best defence of CNN is that they're still better than Fox?

Isn't that setting the bar pretty low when defining good journalism?

Besides which, i don't agree that CNN is better than Fox, because Fox is so obviously and comically out and beyond that it has entertainment value, whereas CNN is so dressed up to look serious that it's sad.
It is marketing. Better business model. Trump was certainly more entertaining than Hillary, to say the least. Fox has reporters that are ok because they are allowed to voice opinions and report the way other media would censor. They are there because they can speak out, and because there is a lot of entertainment so traffic. CNN and such it is just rage, outrage and anger. People are tired of anger. Trump makes them laugh.
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Old 12.04.2019, 13:34
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As I said, everything is relative. Obama was not a great president, but he was better that trump. Is the bar too low? probably, but that's what you've got.
Without Obama we wouldn't have Trump. Without CNN we wouldn't have FOX. The lesson here is, if you lower the bar for your personal profit and gain, don't be surprised if others do it too. It's time to awaken to our responsibilities rather than nonchallantly throwing rocks and blaming others when things actually get broken. It's time to stop idolizing Obama and his fellow stone throwers.
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Old 12.04.2019, 13:37
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It is marketing. Better business model. Trump was certainly more entertaining than Hillary, to say the least. Fox has reporters that are ok because they are allowed to voice opinions and report the way other media would censor. They are there because they can speak out, and because there is a lot of entertainment so traffic. CNN and such it is just rage, outrage and anger. People are tired of anger. Trump makes them laugh.
It's a bit like the court jesters in the middle ages. They were clowns and acted like fools so people laughed, but sometimes they also spoke truth to power, or truth to anybody else, something the more respectable citizens would not dare do.

So if you wanted to know the truth, you listened to the jesters, not to the king's yes men.
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Old 12.04.2019, 13:38
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You see the problem with democracy then? Even half-brained apes, like myself, get an equal vote as you.
Hmmm...run that by me again? I liked it. The ape part.

Democracy lets people improve themselves. Get their info 1st. By many mistakes..but still. Is Trump a huge mistake? Are we now finding out thanks to him what huge mistakes others before him were? Does it make him a lesser mistake? Despite or thanks to his "unpredictability" schtick?

I find him more genuine than polished impeccable academics like Obama or pretty boys like Macron.
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Old 12.04.2019, 13:45
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I find him more genuine that polished impeccable academics like Obama or pretty boys like Macron.
Politics is about making a choice between some options and in this case both options were shitty. Either Hillary or Trump would have been a disaster, just in a different way (Bernie never really had a chance once he was labelled communist). I think we are saying more or less the same thing, Trump is like a really big and nasty pimple that will drive out all the puss that has been accumulating for a while. Nasty, but probably necessary.

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It's time to awaken to our responsibilities rather than nonchallantly throwing rocks and blaming others when things actually get broken.
Who are you preaching to? Because blaming is always a more successful strategy in politics than doing. This is the reason why it has been done since the dawn of time and it's unlikely to change until we outsource politics to the robots. or to the aliens. whoever invades first.
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Old 12.04.2019, 13:50
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In a recent podcast, Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame, if you are not familiar) posed the question that maybe behind the scenes at CNN, they are wondering if they NEED Trump to win in 2020, in order to stay in business. Will be interesting to monitor their editorial direction in the coming months...

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Without Obama we wouldn't have Trump. Without CNN we wouldn't have FOX. The lesson here is, if you lower the bar for your personal profit and gain, don't be surprised if others do it too. It's time to awaken to our responsibilities rather than nonchallantly throwing rocks and blaming others when things actually get broken. It's time to stop idolizing Obama and his fellow stone throwers.
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Old 12.04.2019, 13:54
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So the best defence of CNN is that they're still better than Fox?

Isn't that setting the bar pretty low when defining good journalism?

Besides which, i don't agree that CNN is better than Fox, because Fox is so obviously and comically out and beyond that it has entertainment value, whereas CNN is so dressed up to look serious that it's sad.
You have to remember the US media all have a news side and an opinion side and it is a mistake to lump them together.
The Fox News news side is quite reasonable and is run by Shepard Smith who was the recipient of the Radio Television Digital News Foundation (RTDNF) Leonard Zeidenberg First Amendment Award in March.
Then there is the opinion side which is run by so called commentators; Shep Smith managed to get a dig in at them during his speech accepting that award.
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Old 12.04.2019, 13:55
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Politics is about making a choice between some options and in this case both options were shitty. Either Hillary or Trump would have been a disaster, just in a different way (Bernie never really had a chance once he was labelled communist). I think we are saying more or less the same thing, Trump is like a really big and nasty pimple that will drive out all the puss that has been accumulating for a while. Nasty, but probably necessary.
I think you give too much credit to his catharctic skills. Well. The system is flawed. Maybe now it will get changed and everyone will agree what a non-mistake he then was?

Not sure about Bernie, tbh. But sure that he would not cause so much empty and self agrandizing rage/outrage/anger that seems to rule every media and half decent debate. I find some lovely absurd caricaturing tendency in all this, it is not bad.I wouldn't blame Trump for people's uncooth behavior, though. Thinking we wouldn't react like this if Hillary got voted in. It is alibism and sooner or later that needs to get addressed. Assange thread - people mock his image. Trump thread - people just put him down for the way he looks or typos. The same people that label average voters as absolute morons. I mean...Ok. It is pretty obvious what I mean.
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It's a bit like the court jesters in the middle ages. They were clowns and acted like fools so people laughed, but sometimes they also spoke truth to power, or truth to anybody else, something the more respectable citizens would not dare do.

So if you wanted to know the truth, you listened to the jesters, not to the king's yes men.
They were the "allowed fools" - exempt (mostly) from the wrath of their king.
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Trump makes them laugh.
Trump has certainly contributed to the rebirth of Saturday night live, and has given comedians endless fodder for material. Except, he seems unamused by much of it.

I really wish George Carlin were still alive.
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I mean...Ok. It is pretty obvious what I mean.
Almost never.
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Assange thread - people mock his image. Trump thread - people just put him down for the way he looks or typos. The same people that label average voters as absolute morons. I mean...Ok. It is pretty obvious what I mean.
Yes, I wrote that the average voter is an absolute moron. No, I didn't mock Assange about his image and no, I didn't mock trump for the way he looks. It's good to be factual every once in a while, otherwise we all look like trump
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Yes, I wrote that the average voter is an absolute moron. No, I didn't mock Assange about his image and no, I didn't mock trump for the way he looks. It's good to be factual every once in a while, otherwise we all look like trump
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Something needs to change in the US as I believe the general public no longer trusts that the media are unbiased and objective.
Do you really believe there is such a thing as unbiased-ness and absolute objectivity? And people interested in such? If that were the case, why would there be more than one newspaper?

Not even the judges at the federal courts are unbiased, otherwise it wouldn't matter who gets to elect them and which party they lean towards.
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Without Obama we wouldn't have Trump. Without CNN we wouldn't have FOX.
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It's time to [..] [stop] blaming others when things actually get broken.
Seems you should take your own medicine.
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Do you really believe there is such a thing as unbiased-ness and absolute objectivity? And people interested in such? If that were the case, why would there be more than one newspaper?

Not even the judges at the federal courts are unbiased, otherwise it wouldn't matter who gets to elect them and which party they lean towards.
Reminds me of an old Swiss joke.

A passenger goes to the stationmaster to complain.

He says, the clock on platform one is off by a minute compared to the clock on platform 2. It's a scandal. You need to do something about it.

The stationmaster replies, if they both told the same time, then we wouldn't need two clocks.


Maybe in this day and age it is time to reflect that just because one clock says something different, this does not mean the other clock is right, and indeed even if both clocks do agree, they are not necessarily both right.

Stopped clocks are supposedly right twice a day. And if the clock of CNN and at FOX are both stopped, they may both be right at times, but then either always or never at the same time.
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Do you really believe there is such a thing as unbiased-ness and absolute objectivity? And people interested in such? If that were the case, why would there be more than one newspaper?

Not even the judges at the federal courts are unbiased, otherwise it wouldn't matter who gets to elect them and which party they lean towards.
In fact, no one is objective. The US Supreme Court is a good example. They vote in very predictable ways.
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