I'm not disputing that but he was bragging about what he had done. Saying how easy it was to kiss and grab women when you are famous and rich.

I'm not talking about people who are all gob and little substance but this was bragging about what he had (allegedly) done to women.

I think it is dangerous to try and make declarations about people's intent/intentions... JMO, but as I have pointed out numerous times, things are not always as they seem and history will be the final judge.

WRT this forum looking like a playground, I had some friends in town from Silicon Valley area and showed them a few of the discussions... guess what they noticed?

Sorry, can't let you get away with that. If you cannot admit that President Trump often acts less than presidentially (i.e. in a dignified manner) then we are going to struggle to find points of discussion, really.

That it was a bit weird their friend was showing them some online arguments, from people they'd never met, instead of opening another bottle of Zinfandel?

They are criticising the dumping, not the people being dumped, try again.

Michael Cohen provided such and I'm not going to quote them here, someone who worked cllosely with him for 10 years thinks he's a racist, are you saying you don't think he is?

To what end? because it's ok to be a racist if someone "disrespects" you first? it's a trick question, the pool of people who haven't "disrespected" him first is minimal.

I can just imagine how that riveting conversation piece started...

You live in a pretty cool part of the world, right? Surely you have far better things to do with your friends than show them an EF discussion?

I agree that what he said was very disrespectful but on par with other millionaire playboys who are used to having women THROW their pussy at them. Not saying its right at all.

So first they ask for them with open arms saying there is more than enough room for all of them and now it's "people dumping"???? Yeah. Sure.

I don't believe anything that lawyer says one bit. His body language during the testimony looked off and a large part of our communication is non verbal.

And since I am required to post links to any claims I make why can't you? If you claim Trump is this or that than prove it. I honestly don't know if Trump is racist or not so change my mind. Show me the proof. If you cant then stop insinuating that he is this or that.

I am not trying to defend Trump even though I am sort of. If you go back to the first part of this epic thread you will see that I also had TDS and couldn't stand him. I still cant stand his personality. In fact for the first year I didnt even watch the news and after his election I even had a bit of depression. But I got over it and I see he is doing things that are quite good in my book. Like not starting any new wars (trade wars excluded) and even bringing a few wars to a close, or at least trying too. Something Obama never tried. And I do think its a good thing that he is trying to communicate with North Korea. Do I think he is perfect? Oh god no. Far from it. But he is not near as bad as the hysterical media is making him out to be. Its also the actions of so called liberals that are pushing me away from the left. There is enough hate in this world and I dont think Trump is the one pushing it as much as the media is. This so called "race war" which I only see in the media not in the streets started long before Trump ever announced his candidacy. Everyone acts like everything was all cheeky and rosey before he took office. It wasnt .

Oh, that's perfectly fine then.

You are free to draw your line in the sand wherever you want. As am I to say that I am quite happy that he doesn't act "presidentially." The status quo is not where I wanted to go again... I was wrong (IMO) with voting for Clinton and Obama a 2nd time. Maybe I will feel that I was wrong (someday) for voting for Trump. But I am quite sure it will not be because he did not act "presidentially."

And we drink Priorat or Ribera del Duero here... Lots of dead soldiers here after the weekend!

They agreed that we live in an amazing place. It doesn't mean that we don't discuss some of the "same 'ole, same 'ole" wherever we go... As I used to live quite close to them in the Bay Area (in fact, where I spent the 1st 40 yrs of my life), we had a good laugh about it over copious amounts of Spanish reds, cava and a bit of white...

I think you have me confused with Marton...

"Wait, somebody forgot to provide their sources on the EF..."

It could be worse.

Fair enough - we have different expectations of how we want a President to act (at least outwardly).

I'm more a fan of Italian reds, hence the Zinfandel suggestion!

This is pretty good.

When did Trump change his hair color

When I lived in CA, my goto was Zin. When I lived in Zurich, there was a great Italian deli/market attached to the warehouse across from Schiffbau. I think it is gone now. They carried all Italian products/wines. The owner became a friend and turned me on to Primitivo, which is the same Zinfandel grape. Love those for being strong and tasting of the feet that stomped them. But if price was not a factor, give me a good Barolo.

My fave Priorats are mostly Garnatxa, but still pretty close. Give the region another 10yrs and they may challenge the Barolos.

They are all good, but no Thursday night pitcher of ropey headache beer from Talacker, let's be fair!

I usually stick to the half price reds from Denner, my exclusive red wine cellar currently has Malbec, Salice Salentino & Rioja.

Yes, I admit to the (more than) occasional stocking up at Denner. Was very partial to the 40-50% off Chilean, Argentinian and the occasional Spanish reds.