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Old 16.04.2019, 18:28
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They agreed that we live in an amazing place. It doesn't mean that we don't discuss some of the "same 'ole, same 'ole" wherever we go... As I used to live quite close to them in the Bay Area (in fact, where I spent the 1st 40 yrs of my life), we had a good laugh about it over copious amounts of Spanish reds, cava and a bit of white...
I suppose we should be grateful to add to the amusement of some bright lights from Silicon Valley. Although it seems rather petty.
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Old 16.04.2019, 19:23
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Please don't misunderstand. We were just having a discussion about politics in the SF Bay Area and EF came up. We weren't being patronizing nor condescending. Just idle talk over a few glasses of wine with old friends.

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Old 16.04.2019, 22:35
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Sometimes things do not work out as one hopes!

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I finally agree with @Cher!
And Cher's reply

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I AGREE… THAT DEMS STILL DONT GET, THEY’RE PLAYING POLITICS, & trump’s PLAYING BUTCHER YOUR ENEMIES & CREATE CONSTANT MAYHEM.
HE’S IGNORANT THUG WITH LIZARD BRAIN THAT GUARANTEES HIS SURVIVAL ABOVE ALL ELSE.
IF DEMS R WAITING 4 HIM 2 HAVE EPIPHANY, GOOD FKNG🍀.
HE HAS🖤&SOUL OF☠️
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Old 17.04.2019, 07:45
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So first they ask for them with open arms saying there is more than enough room for all of them and now it's "people dumping"???? Yeah. Sure.
No, it always was people dumping, again, the criticism was of the act of dumping people to score point with his base, not of the people being dumped. Later statements as quoted by marton have reinforced that there is no animosity from the dems.

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I don't believe anything that lawyer says one bit. His body language during the testimony looked off and a large part of our communication is non verbal.

And since I am required to post links to any claims I make why can't you? If you claim Trump is this or that than prove it. I honestly don't know if Trump is racist or not so change my mind. Show me the proof. If you cant then stop insinuating that he is this or that.
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The facts don't support your hunch, Cohen is already in the shit for lying to congress, do you really think he is going to do it again in a higher profile testimony? not to protect himself, not to protect his employer but just to get back it Spanky and thereby put himself in the frame for lying to congress and slander? Seems very unlikely to me. He's not a pathological liar like Spanky.

You were asked for links because your claims were outrageous, "Many, many, many times over and over again. Ad nauseam" and yet I'd never heard report of them. Turns out your claim was false. I never provided a link because there were so many, the Cohen testimony was widely reported, no one following the dumpster fire could fail to be unaware of them. I also never insinuated anything, I referenced sworn testimony.

If you do want a links how about the former head of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...fferent-222314
How about him failing to criticize whitesupremacists? as Obama said 'how hard is it to criticize Nazis?'

It's not even *that* significant tbh, racist is just one more of the 'collection of terrible traits' that make up the man. Its not the media making him out to be bad, it's him.
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Old 18.04.2019, 09:31
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Since this thread appears to be dying, as mod bashing has become more de rigueur, let's celebrate another Trump win.

USA drops to #48 in the world press freedom rankings, sandwiched between Romania and Senegal and classified "Problematic"...

https://rsf.org/en/ranking
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Old 18.04.2019, 21:51
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Special counsel Mueller report released today, ca. 400 pages so a lot to read.
Some quotes; maybe not the most important ones!

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“The President’s efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests,” Mueller wrote in the report.
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According to the report, Trump asked Chris Christie twice to reach out to former FBI Director James Comey to say that Trump "really like[s] him. Tell him he's part of the team." Christie told the special counsel he never intended to fulfill those requests.
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White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders acknowledged to investigators with special counsel Robert Mueller's team that she misled reporters when she insisted in May 2017 that "countless" FBI agents had lost confidence in former Director James Comey leading up to his dismissal.

The special counsel's report cited Sanders’s multiple false statements to reporters.
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Special counsel Robert Mueller's team referred 14 investigations to other US attorney's offices, including the prosecution of Trump's former attorney Michael Cohen and Greg Craig, the Skadden Arps attorney who was indicted for lying to DOJ about work he had done for the Ukraine Ministry of Justice.

The other 12 investigations are redacted. [so they are still in progress]
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“If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.
Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment,”
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Special counsel Mueller report released today, ca. 400 pages so a lot to read.
Some quotes; maybe not the most important ones!
Just wow,
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(Don) McGahn “refused to recede from his recollections about events surrounding the President’s direction to have the Special Counsel removed, despite the President’s multiple demands that he do so.”

He told the white house counsel to lie, and again wow, that should be enough, how are the Reps going to explain that away?
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Old 18.04.2019, 23:38
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The Steele dossier said Page met the president of Rosneft, a Russian state-run oil company, and discussed a deal for Trump to lift US sanctions.

Special counsel Robert Mueller's report said Page actually met Andrey Baranov, Rosneft's head of investor relations but the discussion content is not confirmed!
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Old 19.04.2019, 10:23
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Mueller report

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Rosenstein told Justice Department officials that he wouldn't participate in putting out a "false story," he told the special counsel's office.
So no proof of Russian collusion but an unflattering picture of Trump in a King Lear like position surrounded by people pretending to do what he asked.

A number of media stories that Trump and the White House claimed were "fake news" have been corroborated by the report. Which puts them in a difficult situation as claiming the report exonerates Trump implicitly accepts the whole report.
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Old 19.04.2019, 10:34
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Mueller report



So no proof of Russian collusion but an unflattering picture of Trump in a King Lear like position surrounded by people pretending to do what he asked.

A number of media stories that Trump and the White House claimed were "fake news" have been corroborated by the report. Which puts them in a difficult situation as claiming the report exonerates Trump implicitly accepts the whole report.
I think we're done here, the report demolishes any pretence that it's all unfair bashing by the media it would be farcical to claim Mueller made it all up. Trump lied, he encouraged others to lie, he did everything he could to stop the investigation, theres no definition of 'good President' that could apply. The evidence is plain, but will the Reps put president above country?


and what innocent man in a functionaing democracy responds to news he's under investigation with 'I'm f**ked'.
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Old 19.04.2019, 13:57
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Who knows. But they will definitely put party (and thereby themselves) above country.
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Old 19.04.2019, 16:54
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Yesterday
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As I have been saying all along, NO COLLUSION - NO OBSTRUCTION!
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............. the Crazy Mueller Report, in itself written by 18 Angry Democrat Trump Haters.......
.....some of which are total bullshit...........
What a difference a day makes!
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Old 21.04.2019, 09:44
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Really?

Scores 2018-2013:
45 / 43 / 41 / 49 / 46 / 32

Notice the huge jump in 2014/15, if anything it's Barry's doing.
Position isn't perhaps the most important thing - check the actual index - this is the first time the USA has slipped over 25.00, and into "Problematic" territory.
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Old 21.04.2019, 09:48
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Crap, I accidentally deleted the post you quote.

Still, the big jump took place under Barry, from 18.22 in 2013 to 23.49 in 2014 and 24.41 in 2015. The difference to 25.69 in 2019 is comparatively small.
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Old 21.04.2019, 17:51
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The Trump Haters and Angry Democrats who wrote the Mueller Report were devastated by the No Collusion finding!
This sentence makes no sense at all!
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And another comedian wins a Presidential election.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48007487

At least this one didn't hide what he was from the voters.
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And another comedian wins a Presidential election.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48007487

At least this one didn't hide what he was from the voters.
Comedian, not clown.
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Old 23.04.2019, 11:01
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Seems to be a worried man in the White House, 41 tweets yesterday.

Anyway Spanky seems to have recognised the real immigration problem which is the number of foreigners who overstay their short-term visas.

The number of newly undocumented immigrants who overstayed their visas significantly outnumbered the number who crossed the border illegally — 62 percent to 38 percent, respectively.

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Yeah.....#45 is a distraction and a joke. He flutters and bellows, but what has he accomplished. Maybe Mueller‘s report will bear fruit, maybe not. It points to the disarray and deception in the Executive Branch.

I thought he was a fool, I still think he‘s a fool, and if you‘re anything other than a billionaire supporting 45, I think you might be a fool too. I‘ve given up understanding and capitulating to Trump voters. I don‘t care anymore.

To be honest, the 2020 elections are gearing up and that‘s as important than the fool in the White House. Mitch McConnell is a giant obstruction to the progress of the US. Last week, he promised to obstruct everything going through the Senate if he remains Majority Leader and Trump looses in 2020. These people have got to start working together. They‘re not all assholes. Are they?

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