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He has the vocabulary of an 7yr old.
This has been his strategy all along, he has tailored his vocabulary to the level of his voters, so he comes across as one of 'them', a couple of times he has slipped and used some big words, but he is managing to keep up the facade, something the political commentators pickup up on quite early.
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And therein lies the problem. Breitbart produces almost exclusively fake news. I don't know enough about CNN to say whether that is the case there or not, it seems unlikely from what I've seen of it in the last few days as to whether it is anywhere near as skewed as BB though.

It seems true news from sources he doesn't like is labelled "fake", whereas "fake" news from sources he does like gets a pass. Sad.
And if that's the news he's prepared to believe the States are going to be in for a very rough ride. If BB agrees with Tillerson's views on this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38593034

Then we'll be at WW3 in about 3 weeks.
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are you saying that team trump deliberately fabricated the piss story knowing that buzz and cnn would bite so they could then divert from other perceived issues by attacking buzz and cnn instead?

instead of say, cnn deliberately running with the story in order to make him talk about it on the coming presser not expecting it would blow up in their own face?
The more Trump denies the story then the more value the video will have.

Penthouse has already offered one million for a copy. I hope the FSB have it safely locked away before some junior spy decides to retire for life!
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Old 12.01.2017, 16:23
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The more Trump denies the story then the more value the video will have.

Penthouse has already offered one million for a copy. I hope the FSB have it safely locked away before some junior spy decides to retire for life!

if even half of whats been said about his russian links are true then putin has way too much invested in trump already to allow anyone the steal any video, they would be retired for life
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Old 12.01.2017, 16:32
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And therein lies the problem. Breitbart produces almost exclusively fake news. I don't know enough about CNN to say whether that is the case there or not, it seems unlikely from what I've seen of it in the last few days as to whether it is anywhere near as skewed as BB though.

It seems true news from sources he doesn't like is labelled "fake", whereas "fake" news from sources he does like gets a pass. Sad.
I'm not so sure Breitbart is necessarily fake. What I see them reporting are angles and events MSM refuses to. Hence, thy have a distinct angle, now a considerable following.

It doesn't look like Breitbart will be going away anytime soon. In fact, it looks like it will only increase. They are beginning to pick up respected journalists from WSJ, for example. And their "in" inside the White House is only likely to make them more relevant.

I think they are spearheading a movement to the right across the media landscape. They will likely have a gravitational pull that begins to influence media that values a reputation for fair reporting and objectivity.
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This has been his strategy all along, he has tailored his vocabulary to the level of his voters, so he comes across as one of 'them', a couple of times he has slipped and used some big words, but he is managing to keep up the facade, something the political commentators pickup up on quite early.
He slipped up yesterday and used 'minutiae'. That must have sent his lowest common denominator supporters into a tailspin.

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I'm not so sure Breitbart is necessarily fake. What I see them reporting are angles and events MSM refuses to. Hence, thy have a distinct angle, now a considerable following.
Yeah, with Rush Limbaugh and his ilk.
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Old 12.01.2017, 16:45
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I'm not so sure Breitbart is necessarily fake. What I see them reporting are angles and events MSM refuses to. Hence, thy have a distinct angle, now a considerable following.

It doesn't look like Breitbart will be going away anytime soon. In fact, it looks like it will only increase. They are beginning to pick up respected journalists from WSJ, for example. And their "in" inside the White House is only likely to make them more relevant.

I think they are spearheading a movement to the right across the media landscape. They will likely have a gravitational pull that begins to influence media that values a reputation for fair reporting and objectivity.
Which adds weight to the suggestion that fake news is only fake if it doesn't align with your point of view.

Of course they are "respected journalists" if they write all the stuff you agree with...
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Old 12.01.2017, 16:47
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Yeah, with Rush Limbaugh and his ilk.
Not only that side, you'll likely see a pull across the board; BBC and the Guardian included. The POTUS's podium is somewhat of a pulpit. He will be driving the news, and journalists will have to adjust to his language and realities whether they like it or not.

I really don't think it is going to help anyone to close their eyes to whats going on, and simply deal with reality by what makes them "sick" or they don't "like". The whole "outrage" routine is really not going to be working much longer.
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Picking their candidates the way it seems they do will keep the democrats out of the game for another 2-3 mandates.
Exactly.

Against anybody other than HRC, Trump would have lost.

And against anybody other than Trump, HRC would have won.

The perfect storm.

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Which adds weight to the suggestion that fake news is only fake if it doesn't align with your point of view.

Of course they are "respected journalists" if they write all the stuff you agree with...
and just for complete balance, we would have to say the same thing when people are saying things like "breitbart produces almost exclusively fake news"

fake news about fake news is also just fake news even when it aligns with your pov.
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Old 12.01.2017, 17:07
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Not only that side, you'll likely see a pull across the board; BBC and the Guardian included. The POTUS's podium is somewhat of a pulpit. He will be driving the news, and journalists will have to adjust to his language and realities whether they like it or not.

I really don't think it is going to help anyone to close their eyes to whats going on, and simply deal with reality by what makes them "sick" or they don't "like". The whole "outrage" routine is really not going to be working much longer.
I don't know what's happening to the BBC. They haven't always been as left wing as they now are and can just as easily swing back. As for the Guardian, I don't think there will be a major shift to the right. They will rather retreat into their own comfort zone of preaching to the choir and ignoring the rest. Which would be a pity as despite not agreeing with them much I do admit they have some pretty good journalists.
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Old 12.01.2017, 17:11
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I don't know what's happening to the BBC. They haven't always been as left wing as they now are and can just as easily swing back. As for the Guardian, I don't think there will be a major shift to the right. They will rather retreat into their own comfort zone of preaching to the choir and ignoring the rest. Which would be a pity as despite not agreeing with them much I do admit they have some pretty good journalists.
I suspect they are driven by internal UK political parties. For as long as they deem their platform and positions to be of some relevance to reality and people's perception, I'm sure it would continue. But should the realities or people's perceptions shift, which is actually happening as we speak, I'm sure they will continue to try to conduct business as usual.

If and when they don't, they are simply opening their market share up to the likes of Breitbart.
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Exactly.

Against anybody other than HRC, Trump would have lost.

And against anybody other than Trump, HRC would have won.

The perfect storm.

Tom
Yes. In hindsight Trump played a pretty smart bluff there.

He pretended to be rooting for Sanders. He even invited Sanders for a debate without Hillary (and then uninvited him). The Dems thought he was doing that because he thought Sanders would be an easier opponent, and that Trump was thus building up Sanders to beat Hillary in the primary. That pushed the Dems into falling in behind Clinton and thus banging the nails into their own coffin. And now everybody thinks it was the Democratic party that stabbed Bernie in the back.

Smart moves there Donald.
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and just for complete balance, we would have to say the same thing when people are saying things like "breitbart produces almost exclusively fake news"

fake news about fake news is also just fake news even when it aligns with your pov.
Not really. Breitbart produces empirically false news. That to me is the textbook definition of fake news.

This is one a friend sent me recently as he knows I have an interest in Tesla...

http://www.breitbart.com/california/...stock-plunges/

This was published the day the stock surged to the highest point since the middle of last year (Jun 29th I think).
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I suspect they are driven by internal UK political parties. For as long as they deem their platform and positions to be of some relevance to reality and people's perception, I'm sure it would continue. But should the realities or people's perceptions shift, which is actually happening as we speak, I'm sure they will continue to try to conduct business as usual.

If and when they don't, they are simply opening their market share up to the likes of Breitbart.
I don't think that public opinion as such is shifting very much in the UK. If the Tory party is looking good right now that is because it is succeeding in speaking the language of the middle ground. Under Tony Blair, those same people were supporting him. It's not the people or their opinions that have changed much but the parties that have realigned themselves.
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Not only that side, you'll likely see a pull across the board; BBC and the Guardian included. The POTUS's podium is somewhat of a pulpit. He will be driving the news, and journalists will have to adjust to his language and realities whether they like it or not.
Nobody can expect all the World's press to dumb down to accommodate Trump's agenda. If he doesn't like it, tough!

N.B. I've never had the patience and diligence required to read The Guardian cover to cover. Too many supplements and some commentators who are far too left wing for my taste.

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I really don't think it is going to help anyone to close their eyes to whats going on, and simply deal with reality by what makes them "sick" or they don't "like". The whole "outrage" routine is really not going to be working much longer.
What outrage?
Trump insults the intelligence of anyone who has a higher IQ than his target audience, regardless of their political beliefs.

GWB was no bright spark, and now you have a PE who is (allegedly) pretending to be less intelligent than he actually is. I fail to see how people can trust or respect a PE portraying such a facade.
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if even half of whats been said about his Russian links are true then Putin has way too much invested in Trump already to allow anyone the steal any video, they would be retired for an extremely short life
Fixed that for you
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I don't think that public opinion as such is shifting very much in the UK. If the Tory party is looking good right now that is because it is succeeding in speaking the language of the middle ground. Under Tony Blair, those same people were supporting him. It's not the people or their opinions that have changed much but the parties that have realigned themselves.
I wouldn't know that myself. I only read a quick headline on Google news that "patriotism" is on a up surge in the UK. I assumed the same nationalist trends are occurring in the UK as in other places.
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Fixed that for you
Reminds me of József Pogány (Joseph Pepper), leader of the Hungarian Soviet revolution of 1919. Following the failure of the revolution, Pogány fled to Russia. The Soviets were very displeased at the failure and arrested and harrassed him repeatedly. Stalin finally had him put to death in the 1930s.

Neverthless, Hungarian school history books of the communist era said that following the failure of the revolution, their hero had "fled to Russia where he spent the rest of his life".
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and just for complete balance, we would have to say the same thing when people are saying things like "breitbart produces almost exclusively fake news"

fake news about fake news is also just fake news even when it aligns with your pov.
Yeah, but the best lies always contain a soupçon of truth, though don't they? It's just about who does it best and those will, most likely be the ones that feed Joe Public what he wants to hear. Trump's built an entire campaign and probably the duration of his incumbency on it.

You could argue that lies and politics go together, and always have, but in this case the bullshit is presented with a brass neck of epic proportions with no attempt to hide it. If that's what the majority of the US wants, they'd better buckle up and don't start sobbing when it all crumbles.
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