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Old 09.07.2019, 11:22
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Hmmm... the reality of it, though, is if you are going to have a massive temper tantrum because your arse is stinging because of what someone said about you, you tend to not let fly in public about how butthurt you are.

Trump's not figured this out yet.
no, he just doesn't care about what other people would do.

He gives the punters the gratitude of knowing they've hurt him rather than using an Obama style veneer of fake magnanimity to leave them guessing.

People are complaining Trump lies out of his arse but they also complain he's too honest.
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Do you actually need to if you are at the very top of the hierarchy?
Well, it's kind of the point.

MC - it's nothing to do with "American verve"; it's an insecure and immature person at the mercy of his own frail vanity being jerked around on his chain. Nothing more, nothing less.

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no, he just doesn't care about what other people would do.

He gives the punters the gratitude of knowing they've hurt him rather than using an Obama style veneer of fake magnanimity to leave them guessing.

People are complaining Trump lies out of his arse but they also complain he's too honest.
You should tweet that to him. He'd be cockahoop.
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Old 09.07.2019, 12:43
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Of course not and he rubs it in with an American verve

(Or nerve)
Sure, he is having a great time followed by his band of acolytes regardless of his ever mounting score of legislative failures. A short list;
  • Obamacare replacement
  • the Wall - use of military funds now banned
  • Reducing national debt
  • NAFTA replacement
  • trade wars
  • Census citizen question
  • Iran back on the path of developing nuclear weapons
  • N. Korea in daily production of nuclear weapons
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It's the other way around: if you plan to leave the EU and need a deal with the US, you better make sure that you are liked if you are the ambassador.
What are you suggesting? that the British ambassador shouldn't have done his job? you do realise that part of his job is to provide accurate reports on the political state of the countries where his ambassadorship is? The report was sent by diplomatic cable it was confidential. He wasn't shooting his mouth off at a party while swilling G&Ts and guzzling Ferrero Rocher

If it helps you understand consider him an intelligence agent, you wouldn't expect an agent to avoid writing a critical appraisal of a foreign government incase they got to read it and had a cry about it. Or would you?
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... they also complain he's too honest.
who does? being unable to keep confidential matters confidential is not the same as being too honest.
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Old 09.07.2019, 16:15
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What are you suggesting? that the British ambassador shouldn't have done his job? you do realise that part of his job is to provide accurate reports on the political state of the countries where his ambassadorship is? The report was sent by diplomatic cable it was confidential. He wasn't shooting his mouth off at a party while swilling G&Ts and guzzling Ferrero Rocher

If it helps you understand consider him an intelligence agent, you wouldn't expect an agent to avoid writing a critical appraisal of a foreign government incase they got to read it and had a cry about it. Or would you?
It's a bit like Swiss letters of recommendation in the old days. They have a coded language that to us normals sounds positive or at worst neutral with a positive leaning, but with which they can accurately express what they think and the scale goes all the way down to scathing.

What the amabassador did was the diplomatic equivalent of loud-mouthing at a party.
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It's a bit like Swiss letters of recommendation in the old days. They have a coded language that to us normals sounds positive or at worst neutral with a positive leaning, but with which they can accurately express what they think and the scale goes all the way down to scathing.

What the ambassador did was the diplomatic equivalent of loud-mouthing at a party.
You think he's the only diplomat in the world trash-talking the moron in the WH?

I imagine the wires are abuzz with it, so much so the law of probability meant something would spill out somewhere at some point.
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no, he just doesn't care about what other people would do.

He gives the punters the gratitude of knowing they've hurt him rather than using an Obama style veneer of fake magnanimity to leave them guessing.

People are complaining Trump lies out of his arse but they also complain he's too honest.
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...You should tweet that to him. He'd be cockahoop.
I'm afraid Trump doesn't know what magnanimity is, so such a tweet might befuddle him.
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It's a bit like Swiss letters of recommendation in the old days. They have a coded language that to us normals sounds positive or at worst neutral with a positive leaning, but with which they can accurately express what they think and the scale goes all the way down to scathing.

What the amabassador did was the diplomatic equivalent of loud-mouthing at a party.
No it was the diplomatic equivalent of doing his job,
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Old 09.07.2019, 16:34
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You think he's the only diplomat in the world trash-talking the moron in the WH?

I imagine the wires are abuzz with it, so much so the law of probability meant something would spill out somewhere at some point.
And?

You still have to face the music when you get busted. Thinking you can get off because the others did shit too stops working when you're about 5.

You would have thought that if you're a diplomat, you might know how to be ... er ... diplomatic.

Obviously the WH is not the only place where they have a moron in charge these days.
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And?

You still have to face the music when you get busted. Thinking you can get off because the others did shit too stops working when you're about 5.
I didn't mean he was trying to get off with it or any other reason. I meant it as I wrote it.

Trump's being his usual arsehole about it and blasting the ambassador with his usual disproportionate butthurt response so I guess the "5 year olds" reference stands true, if you like. But perhaps not as you intended.


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You would have thought that if you're a diplomat, you might know how to be ... er ... diplomatic.
He was until someone leaked it.

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Obviously the WH is not the only place where they have a moron in charge these days.
Not so sure the person that leaked it was "in charge".
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Yes, the culprit behind the DNC leaks was an insider and was upset about how they pushed out Bernie Sanders. Seth Rich was later murdered (official report was died from robbery) and found with all his possesions, cash, jewlery etc, which makes it not a robbery. The DNC is blocking any further investigations, but they are still ongoing.
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Conspiracy theories that former Democratic National Committee (DNC) staffer Seth Rich was murdered on the orders of Hillary Clinton originated with the Russian foreign intelligence service, according to a Yahoo News investigation.
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Despite the claims by biased observers that the Russians have only limited resources to interfere in US elections the fact remains that they are very effective!
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...He was until someone leaked it...
To be fair, this isn't the first time diplomatic cables have been hacked and leaked. The Ambassador should know better. Even if it's supposedly private, one should never assume communications can't be hacked and shared.

That said, as best I can tell he was telling the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts, and we all know Trump has a dodgy relationship with the truth.
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And?

You still have to face the music when you get busted. Thinking you can get off because the others did shit too stops working when you're about 5.

You would have thought that if you're a diplomat, you might know how to be ... er ... diplomatic.

Obviously the WH is not the only place where they have a moron in charge these days.
He was not busted; he was betrayed.
Stupid move by a Civil Servant; when Ambassadors are no longer confident their communications are secure then the UK is seriously weakened.

It is his job to report back honestly to HQ.
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Some new reporting that is relevant for at least one of the nutjobs occasionally posting... Yahoo News is reporting that the Seth Rich conspiracy theory embraced by Fox News and members of the Trump White House was a story planted by Russian intelligence agents. It's a case study of successful Russian propaganda efforts and the empirically-bankrupt right-wing ecosystem.

https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-the...100000831.html
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WASHINGTON — In the summer of 2016, Russian intelligence agents secretly planted a fake report claiming that Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich was gunned down by a squad of assassins working for Hillary Clinton, giving rise to a notorious conspiracy theory that captivated conservative activists and was later promoted from inside President Trump’s White House, a Yahoo News investigation has found.

Russia’s foreign intelligence service, known as the SVR, first circulated a phony “bulletin” — disguised to read as a real intelligence report —about the alleged murder of the former DNC staffer on July 13, 2016, according to the U.S. federal prosecutor who was in charge of the Rich case. That was just three days after Rich, 27, was killed in what police believed was a botched robbery while walking home to his group house in the Bloomingdale neighborhood of Washington, D.C., about 30 blocks north of the Capitol.

The purported details in the SVR account seemed improbable on their face: that Rich, a data director in the DNC’s voter protection division, was on his way to alert the FBI to corrupt dealings by Clinton when he was slain in the early hours of a Sunday morning by the former secretary of state’s hit squad.

Yet in a graphic example of how fake news infects the internet, those precise details popped up the same day on an obscure website, whatdoesitmean.com, that is a frequent vehicle for Russian propaganda. The website’s article, which attributed its claims to “Russian intelligence,” was the first known instance of Rich’s murder being publicly linked to a political conspiracy.

“To me, having a foreign intelligence agency set up one of my decedents with lies and planting false stories, to me that’s pretty outrageous,” said Deborah Sines, the former assistant U.S. attorney in charge of the Rich case until her retirement last year. “Maybe other people don’t think it’s that outrageous. I did ... once it became clear to me that this was coming from the SVR, then that triggers a lot of very serious [questions about] ‘What do I do with this?’”

The previously unreported role of Russian intelligence in creating and fostering one of the most insidious conspiracy theories to arise out of the 2016 election is disclosed in “Yahoo News presents: Conspiracyland,” a six-part series by the news organization’s podcast “Skullduggery” that debuts this week on the third anniversary of Rich’s murder.

The Russian effort to exploit Rich’s tragic death didn’t stop with the fake SVR bulletin. Over the course of the next two and a half years, the Russian government-owned media organizations RT and Sputnik repeatedly played up stories that baselessly alleged that Rich, a relatively junior-level staffer, was the source of Democratic Party emails that had been leaked to WikiLeaks. It was an idea first floated by WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, who on Aug. 9, 2016, announced a $20,000 reward for information about Rich’s murder, saying — somewhat cryptically — that “our sources take risks.”

At the same time, online trolls working in St. Petersburg, Russia, for the Internet Research Agency (IRA) — the same shadowy outfit that conducted the Russian social media operation during the 2016 election — aggressively boosted the conspiracy theories. IRA-created fake accounts, masquerading as those of American citizens or political groups, tweeted and retweeted more than 2,000 times about Rich, helping to keep the bogus claims about his death in the social media bloodstream, according to an analysis of a database of Russia troll accounts by Yahoo News.

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Within months, the Rich conspiracy story was also being quietly promoted inside Trump’s White House. Questions about whether the White House pushed the conspiracy theories about Rich have been raised periodically over the last two and a half years — and were consistently denied by White House officials. But the Yahoo News investigation uncovered new evidence that the false claim that Rich was the victim of a political assassination was advanced by one of the White House’s most senior officials at the time.

“Huge story … he was a Bernie guy … it was a contract kill, obviously,” then-White House chief strategist Steve Bannon texted to a CBS “60 Minutes” producer about Rich on March 17, 2017, according to some of Bannon’s text messages that were reviewed by Yahoo News. (Bannon did not respond to requests for comment.)

The conspiracy claims reached their zenith in May 2017 — the same week as Mueller’s appointment as special counsel in the Russia probe — when Fox News’ website posted a sensational story claiming that an FBI forensic report had discovered evidence on Rich’s laptop that he had been in communication with WikiLeaks prior to his death. Sean Hannity, the network’s primetime star, treated the account as major news on his nightly broadcast, calling it “explosive” and proclaiming it “might expose the single biggest fraud, lies, perpetrated on the American people by the media and the Democrats in our history.”
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It's a bit like Swiss letters of recommendation in the old days. They have a coded language that to us normals sounds positive or at worst neutral with a positive leaning, but with which they can accurately express what they think and the scale goes all the way down to scathing.

What the amabassador did was the diplomatic equivalent of loud-mouthing at a party.
You do not believe the Americans would be smart enough to decode such coded language?
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To be fair, this isn't the first time diplomatic cables have been hacked and leaked. The Ambassador should know better. Even if it's supposedly private, one should never assume communications can't be hacked and shared.

That said, as best I can tell he was telling the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts, and we all know Trump has a dodgy relationship with the truth.
Not quite; hacking of diplomatic cables certainly happens but usually the contents are not leaked. The hackers seek to gain from their information and the buyers lose the benefit from the information they bought if it is known they have this knowledge.
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Some new reporting that is relevant for at least one of the nutjobs occasionally posting... Yahoo News is reporting that the Seth Rich conspiracy theory embraced by Fox News and members of the Trump White House was a story planted by Russian intelligence agents. It's a case study of successful Russian propaganda efforts and the empirically-bankrupt right-wing ecosystem.

https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-the...100000831.html


Read the whole thing.
Thats frickin hilarious I wonder if said nutjob will realise how he fell for this hook line and sinker. But you know, he saw it on the internet, before the deep state deleted it.
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Trump's being his usual arsehole about it and blasting the ambassador with his usual disproportionate butthurt response so I guess the "5 year olds" reference stands true, if you like. But perhaps not as you intended.
The media are claiming Trump's recent attack on Fox News (see my post #19364 ) followed Trump viewing the Fox News segment from a bar in Lyon where the patrons were chanting "F##k Trump".

Meanwhile the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Tuesday ruled that President Trump cannot block Twitter users from his official account, finding that the practice is discriminatory.
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@realDonaldTrump friends speak frankly so I will: these comments are disrespectful and wrong to our Prime Minister and my country.
Your diplomats give their private opinions to @SecPompeo and so do ours!
You said the UK/US alliance was the greatest in history and I agree but allies need to treat each other with respect as @theresa_may has always done with you.
Ambassadors are appointed by the UK government and if I become PM our Ambassador stays.
Good to see someone say it as it is!!
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