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Old 16.07.2019, 18:58
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

It was very deliberate why he chose to say it this way. And very predictable how certain segments would interpret it.

But you don't have to listen to my interpretation. I happen to respect Scott Adams (of Dilbert comic strip fame). You may not agree with him either, but I think what he is saying makes sense: https://www.pscp.tv/w/1OwxWkdYqjqxQ?q=scott+adams

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Bingo.

Attempting to defend his phraseology only can only reflect badly on you FD; I wouldn't go down that route, don't get dragged down to his level.
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Old 16.07.2019, 19:11
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It was very deliberate why he chose to say it this way. And very predictable how certain segments would interpret it.

But you don't have to listen to my interpretation. I happen to respect Scott Adams (of Dilbert comic strip fame). You may not agree with him either, but I think what he is saying makes sense: https://www.pscp.tv/w/1OwxWkdYqjqxQ?q=scott+adams
But this is complete and arrant nonsense!
Three out of the four were US born so do not have a country to go home too; crime ridden or not. So they are out of the equation.
There is no possibility they will return from Trump imaginary countries with a solution.

One of them came originally from Somalia. There is a full scale war going on in Somalia; so if you truly believe someone can go there alone, solve their problems and return with the solution then you have reverse Trump Syndrome
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But this is complete and arrant nonsense!
Three out of the four were US born so do not have a country to go home too; crime ridden or not. So they are out of the equation.
There is no possibility they will return from Trump imaginary countries with a solution.

One of them came originally from Somalia. There is a full scale war going on in Somalia; so if you truly believe someone can go there alone, solve their problems and return with the solution then you have reverse Trump Syndrome
Didn't he tweet about a place instead of a country?
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It was very deliberate why he chose to say it this way. And very predictable how certain segments would interpret it.

But you don't have to listen to my interpretation. I happen to respect Scott Adams (of Dilbert comic strip fame). You may not agree with him either, but I think what he is saying makes sense: https://www.pscp.tv/w/1OwxWkdYqjqxQ?q=scott+adams
not 'certain segments', all segments except the racist ones. I don't know how to make this clearer, 'where you came from' means 'you didn't come from here' if you did come from here, and that is acknowledged, then there is no other 'where' for you to have come from. This is *the* archetypal racist phrase, yet apologists try and make out it's not racist when Spanky says it, it beggars belief, why do you cut him such slack?

Of course you think Adams makes sense, thats confirmation bias at play, work to transcend it, you can do it.
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Didn't he tweet about a place instead of a country?
doens't matter, place, country, planet, the message is the same 'you do not belong here because you are not from here'

why is there suddenly discussion over whether the most racist phrase ever is racist?
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Good try but null point!
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Didn't he tweet about a place instead of a country?
Can't you come up with an original defence of Trump's racism? The lame idea that Trump was actually tweeting about the cities or districts that the "Squad" represent was proposed by a junior Republican politician yesterday—and it's laughable.
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Good try but null point!
You're right and then indeed racist. I could remember only this part of the tweet.

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....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....
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It was very deliberate why he chose to say it this way. And very predictable how certain segments would interpret it.

But you don't have to listen to my interpretation. I happen to respect Scott Adams (of Dilbert comic strip fame). You may not agree with him either, but I think what he is saying makes sense: https://www.pscp.tv/w/1OwxWkdYqjqxQ?q=scott+adams


so.. when he doubles down on a conference " all im saying is if you don't like it you can leave.." (and variatons of).
he is still ny trash talking?


also to backtrack through many idiotic pivots. there is a current class action lawsuit by the ACLU for separating kids from asylum seekers that came through port of entries.


some people just bend over backwards so much it makes me want to quote Gore Vidal.

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Freudian slip by Kellyanne
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White House counselor Kellyanne Conway on Monday piled on in attacking progressive congresswomen who have been the subject of attacks from President Trump in recent days, asserting that they represent a "dark underbelly" of the country.
""dark" underbelly"; dark? Presumably then the over-belly is white?
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But you don't have to listen to my interpretation. I happen to respect Scott Adams (of Dilbert comic strip fame). You may not agree with him either, but I think what he is saying makes sense: https://www.pscp.tv/w/1OwxWkdYqjqxQ?q=scott+adams
You do realise Adams is a well known Trump supporter?
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some people just bend over backwards so much it makes me want to quote Gore Vidal.
It's a sight to behold. My take is that they're smarter than this. Deep down they don't even believe what they're arguing. In actuality, they share Trump's views and think deflection is the best way to promote them.
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Old 17.07.2019, 10:58
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

House of Congress votes to condemn Trump's racist tweets with support from 4 Republicans, Amash who recently left the GOP also supported and 6 Republicans did not vote.

It is a sort of ceremonial vote that will not change anything.

Trump has again demonstrated he understands his base well and is getting a lot of support from them over this.
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Because it is an opinion statement and not everybody shares your opinion.

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why is there suddenly discussion over whether the most racist phrase ever is racist?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Do you actually listen to him or read any of his books? Or did you just Google his name to find a source that says, "Scott Adams is a FASCIST!"

Scott Adams describes himself as "left of Bernie without the crazy stuff." He says on a daily basis that he admires Trump's persuasion skills and that "Trump might be the most persuasive person I have ever observed in the act of persuading."

Then again, he often talks about AOC also possessing "weapons grade" persuasion skills.

Does that mean he is an AOC supporter, too?

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Do you actually listen to him or read any of his books? Or did you just Google his name to find a source that says, "Scott Adams is a FASCIST!"

Scott Adams describes himself as "left of Bernie without the crazy stuff." He says on a daily basis that he admires Trump's persuasion skills and that "Trump might be the most persuasive person I have ever observed in the act of persuading."

Then again, he often talks about AOC also possessing "weapons grade" persuasion skills.

Does that mean he is an AOC supporter, too?
Yes, I know what he claims to be. However did you ever read this from the man himself?

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As most of you know, I had been endorsing Hillary Clinton for president, for my personal safety, because I live in California. It isn’t safe to be a Trump supporter where I live. And it’s bad for business too. But recently I switched my endorsement to Trump, and I owe you an explanation. So here it goes.
https://www.scottadamssays.com/2016/...om-clinton-to/
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Because it is an opinion statement and not everybody shares your opinion.
Is it your opinion that 'go back where you came from' is not a famous racist phrase? is this news to you that racists use this phrase to attack people? It's no more an opinion than its an opinion that the sun will rise tomorrow.

Anyway, lets indulge your fantasy for a moment, on the topic of opinion, noted Neo nazi Andrew Anglin posted on his Daily Stormer website in response to the tweets 'This is the sort of white nationalism we elected him for', maybe you don't think the tweets were racist but it is the opinion of racists that they were racist.
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It's a sight to behold. My take is that they're smarter than this. Deep down they don't even believe what they're arguing. In actuality, they share Trump's views and think deflection is the best way to promote them.


“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”


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Anyway, lets indulge your fantasy for a moment, on the topic of opinion, noted Neo nazi Andrew Anglin posted on his Daily Stormer website in response to the tweets 'This is the sort of white nationalism we elected him for', maybe you don't think the tweets were racist but it is the opinion of racists that they were racist.
This wouldn't be the same Daily Stormer by any chance would it, that welcomed and applauded the election of Obama because they were so sure his policies would start a civil war?
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“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”


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