Will Trump be a Good President? - Page 982

marton · #**19621** 19.07.2019, 17:06

	Quote:	amogles
	By fielding that argument you have forfeited the ability to claim that Trump is un-American.

Why would I ever want to claim "Trump is un-American"?

Racist, xenophobic, a serial liar, a wind bag of rhetoric who does not deliver much, are maybe claims?
Since a majority of Americans voted for him then clearly they share his values and have verified he is a true American?

#**19622** 19.07.2019, 17:14

	Quote:	marton
	Why would I ever want to claim "Trump is un-American"? Racist, xenophobic, a serial liar, a wind bag of rhetoric who does not deliver much, are maybe claims? Since a majority of Americans voted for him then clearly they share his values and have verified he is a true American?

To be pedantic......fewer people voted for Trump than voted for Clinton, and neither obtained a majority. Trump won because of the Electoral College, not the popular vote.

Ouchboy · #**19623** 19.07.2019, 17:18

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	A lot of the “fine people” chanting don’t really support Israel either. They tolerate Israel and Jews because, well, they’re not Muslim, and they’re often indistinguishable from other white people. If they tolerate them at all. Hard to believe the same old anti semetic shit still goes on. And on. So anyway, not supporting Israel is not necessarily a value at odds with America.

they like Israel because they keep the lights on till Jebus comes again.

marton · #**19624** 19.07.2019, 18:29

	Quote:	Ouchboy
	they like Israel because they keep the lights on till Jebus comes again.

Exactly; nothing to with the population being predominantly Jewish nor with semitism nor antisemitism!

It is all about the Evangelical belief that the second coming of their imaginary friend will be in Israel and, as mentioned, the Jews are just keeping the lights on until then.
How much the Jews buy into this idea when such a second coming would likely destroy their religion is a good question! In the meantime they play safe and stick to this script.

#**19625** 19.07.2019, 19:08

	Quote:	marton
	Exactly; nothing to with the population being predominantly Jewish nor with semitism nor antisemitism! It is all about the Evangelical belief that the second coming of their imaginary friend will be in Israel and, as mentioned, the Jews are just keeping the lights on until then. How much the Jews buy into this idea when such a second coming would likely destroy their religion is a good question! In the meantime they play safe and stick to this script.

That may be part of it. But anti-Semitism is still strong.

3Wishes · #**19626** 19.07.2019, 21:27

	Quote:	taduncombe
	...the electoral college split the electorate in a weird way (Clinton wasn't far from beating Trump by the vote margin Obama beat Romney)...

FYI - The Electoral College split in exactly the way it's written into the U.S. Constitution.

Example: California has 55 electors to the EC. Clinton won California by a large margin, but she still only got 55 electors - whether she one by 50% + 1 vote or by 100% to zero.

Trump got to the magic number by stringing together victories in smaller numbers as opposed to big wins in huge population centers.

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	...Trump just channels his inner Billy Graham and it's the same effect.

That's a really good analogy!

marton · #**19627** 19.07.2019, 22:33

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	President Donald Trump's campaign and the Republican National Committee have paid more than $600,000 in legal fees to the law firm that represents Hope Hicks (one of Trump's most trusted aides), according to reports filed with the Federal Election Commission. It's unclear if all the payments are related to Hicks. Trump's campaign spent nearly $1.5 million on legal fees in the second quarter of this year, the same filing showed. The bulk of those second-quarter payments went to Jones Day, the law firm where Don McGahn (ex White House counsel) worked before he became White House counsel and returned to after leaving the administration earlier this year. The campaign paid Jones Day nearly $1 million dollars -- $973,954.01.

Nothing to see here, move on!

If I could restart my career then a lawyer in the US sounds like a good earner!

marton · #**19628** 19.07.2019, 22:37

	Quote:
	That may be part of it. But anti-Semitism is still strong.

Exactly, the US has strong support for Israel because of the Evangelical belief that the second coming of their imaginary friend will be in Israel. Not because they are not anti Semitic.

These "cooks" also believe they can convert the Israelis to Christianity.

#**19629** 19.07.2019, 23:09

	Quote:	marton
	Exactly, the US has strong support for Israel because of the Evangelical belief that the second coming of their imaginary friend will be in Israel. Not because they are not anti Semitic. These "cooks" also believe they can convert the Israelis to Christianity.

Hmmmm. I’m not sure we’re on the same page. But it’s ok. I suppose I wanted to make the point that not everyone supports Israel, and that’s fine, and that support of Israel by Evangelicals is pretty cynical and self serving.

But anti Semitism exists in the US. Still.

Ok, back to my cave......

omtatsat · #**19630** 20.07.2019, 07:00

Buzz Aldrin also supports Trump! Some say he's demented and has a case of " moonstruck ". Seems it's not all false about this moon sickness. Seems he might have passed it on to Trump.

Definition of moonstruck
: affected by or as if by the moon: such as
a : mentally unbalanced
b : romantically sentimental
c : lost in fantasy or reverie

Could be a,b or c. Ideas would be welcome

robBob · #**19631** 20.07.2019, 11:25

The stats are in!

https://today.yougov.com/topics/inte...s-most-admired

In America he's #2.

In the world he makes it at #14

In Switzerland... well see for yourself.

#**19632** 21.07.2019, 01:04

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	Friday treat. You might want to keep a bucket nearby... Oh my days...

Them dee-plorables sure is smart. Remind me, where is Corona beer made? MAGA!

Blueangel · #**19633** 21.07.2019, 01:56

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	MAGA!

Mexican Ale Gets Airtime?

marton · #**19634** 21.07.2019, 09:14

Almost Friday
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marton · #**19635** 21.07.2019, 21:24

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	House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler on Sunday said Robert Mueller's report presents "very substantial evidence" that President Donald Trump is "guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors" -- an impeachable offense.

Source

More popcorn needed!

Edit; Trump has been tweeting that he has spoken to the Swedish PM about freeing A$AP Rocky from prison.

Today Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Löfven said they have separation of powers in Sweden and he does not interfere with the judiciary.

3Wishes · #**19636** 21.07.2019, 21:27

	Quote:	marton
	Source More popcorn needed!

He might be guilty of a lot of things, but even if the House impeaches him the Senate won't remove him from office. So he stays, and his base has a huge event to rally around. Ds are wise to be cautious with the impeachment card.

#**19637** 21.07.2019, 21:49

	Quote:	3Wishes
	He might be guilty of a lot of things, but even if the House impeaches him the Senate won't remove him from office. So he stays, and his base has a huge event to rally around. Ds are wise to be cautious with the impeachment card.

It really is a shame. Though, more than ousting Trump, the Dems really need to take control of the Senate, or at least get rid of McConnell.

marton · #**19638** 22.07.2019, 00:28

Can't wait until Friday!

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	A New York man charged with murdering the alleged boss of the Gambino Mafia family believed he was carrying out a mission on behalf of President Trump, his lawyer said in court documents. According to a filing from his attorney, Robert C. Gottlieb, Comello was not affiliated with the Mafia. Instead, he believed Cali was an agent of the “deep state” and that he was authorized by Trump to arrest him. Gottlieb said Comello had brought handcuffs with him and shot Cali only after he refused to submit to a citizen’s arrest and reached for his waistband.

Source

This lawyer should be writing comedy sketches for TV?

#**19639** 22.07.2019, 00:45

	Quote:	marton
	Can't wait until Friday! Source This lawyer should be writing comedy sketches for TV?

This is what I worry about.....characters coming out of the woodwork. And as much as many of you are unimpressed by the „squad“, I would really hate to see someone take a shot at one of them.

taduncombe · #**19640** 22.07.2019, 02:12

	Quote:	3Wishes
	FYI - The Electoral College split in exactly the way it's written into the U.S. Constitution.

By "the EC split the electorate in a weird way," I'm highlighting that it is irregular for the EC result to diverge significantly from the popular vote.

In all US presidential elections, only on 5 occasions has the popular winner not won the EC. The last time it occurred for a popular vote margin of >1% (reminder Clinton won it by 2.1%) was in 1876 - which was actually caused by other crazy circumstances.

As an interesting aside, the G. W Bush team thought they might win the popular vote and lose the electoral college in 2000 so they developed a strategy to pressure electorates to ignore their state and vote for the popular winner. Of course, the opposite happened, and then they proceded to suggest it was unpatriotic for the Gore campaign to even push for a recount in an extremely close state with multiple ballot issues.