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Old 24.07.2019, 14:43
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

If anyone wants to tune in, it's on youtube.
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Old 24.07.2019, 16:00
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Nothing new in Mueller's testimony so far but some interesting confirmations from his own lips;
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Nadler: So the report did not conclude that he did not commit obstruction of justice? Is that correct?

Mueller: That is correct.

Nadler: And what about total exoneration? Did you actually totally exonerate the President?

Mueller: No.

Nadler: Now, in fact your report expressly states it does not exonerate the President?

Mueller: It does.
So rebutting Trump's claim the report said "no obstruction!"

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Nadler: "Under Department of Justice policy, the President could be prosecuted for obstruction of justice crimes after he leaves office, correct?"

Mueller: "True"
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Cohen: "Your investigation found at some point after your appointment the President, quote, called Sessions at his home and asked if he would un-recuse himself. Is not not true?"

Mueller: "It's true."

Cohen: "It wasn't the first time the president asked sessions to un-recuse himself, was it?"

Mueller: "I know of two occasions."

Cohen went on to ask Mueller if the attorney general is supposed to act as "the attorney general of the United States of America or a consigliere for the President?"

"The United States of America," Mueller responded.
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Old 24.07.2019, 16:33
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump trying to intimidate a witness; surely that is obstruction?

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It has been reported that Robert Mueller is saying that he did not apply and interview for the job of FBI Director (and get turned down) the day before he was wrongfully appointed Special Counsel.
Hope he doesn’t say that under oath in that we have numerous witnesses to the interview, including the Vice President of the United States!
Today Mueller said under oath he did meet Trump on that day but not as a candidate!
It is believed he was asked to advise on the appointment of a new FBI director.
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I think the Ds are going to come out of this hearing looking like fools. Mueller didn't want to testify, and in his one press conference he said the report IS his testimony. It's unlikely he'll deviate from the report, and I seriously doubt he will answer "yes" if asked whether Trump committed high crimes and misdemeanors.

The Rs will use this as an opportunity to again cast Trump as an innocent victim of a witch hut. I wonder if they'll attack Mueller's personal character right away or wait to see what he says.
Yes, perhaps, but so far the Dems seem to have their shit together and the Repugs are shrieking.

Mueller doesn’t have to say that Trump committed high crimes. It’s enough that he is neither exonerated, nor can one say he did not obstruct justice. No wonder Trump wants another term.
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Old 24.07.2019, 17:03
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I missed this in Mueller's original report!
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Mueller confirmed in response to a question from Representative Cedric Richmond, a Democrat from Louisiana, that Trump asked staff to falsify records connected to the special counsel’s investigation.
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Under questioning from Representative Ken Buck, a Republican from Colorado, Mueller cited his inability to indict a sitting president.

“One of the tools that a prosecutor would use is not there,” Mueller said of his team’s considerations of Trump’s potential obstruction of justice.
Trump is even now tweeting about Mueller's testimony so his original statement that he would not watch Mueller's testimony is clearly untrue.
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Old 24.07.2019, 17:26
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An interesting question would be "if the object of the investigation was not the President then would you have considered indictment?"

I doubt he will say "no", most likely will refuse to answer?
Hmm, Mueller came closer to this topic than I expected

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Mueller: "That is correct."
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I am in the US and watched much but not all of Mueller's testimony. That said, all news outlets here say, it was a fail for Mueller and Dems. That includes CNBC, CNN et al...

Mueller did not come across well as he stumbled on basic facts. He had zero clue what Fusion GPS was. Really??

The only ones who benefited from his testimony was Pelosi (who argued that Mueller should not testify (she was right as he was not convincing and seemed confused at times) and low and behold Trump!

Think this will only help Republicans and Trump in 2020 elections.

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I am in the US and watched much but not all of Mueller's testimony. That said, all news outlets here say, it was a fail for Mueller and Dems. That includes CNBC, CNN et al...

Mueller did not come across well as he stumbled on basic facts. He had zero clue what Fusion GPS was. Really??

The only ones who benefited from his testimony was Pelosi (who argued that Mueller should not testify (she was right as he was not convincing and seemed confused at times) and low and behold Trump!

Think this will only help Republicans and Trump in 2020 elections.
Yup, the last smattering of hope for the Dems has been well and truly stomped out. History won’t be kind to the Mueller investigation.
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This applies to a few on here too

https://twitter.com/mmflint/status/1154066705284390912
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Yup, the last smattering of hope for the Dems has been well and truly stomped out. History won’t be kind to the Mueller investigation.
but then history is not your strong point...
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Old 25.07.2019, 09:39
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Yup, the last smattering of hope for the Dems has been well and truly stomped out. History won’t be kind to the Mueller investigation.
What were you expecting? It was not Mueller's fault that the DOJ ruled out indicting a sitting President.

I had never understood why Mueller had said Trump was not exonerated.
He explained that because of the rule against indicting a sitting President they just collected the evidence of obstruction but did not do the next step of determining if it was sufficient to indict Trump or not.
It was clear from his answer to Lieu what he really thought.

Something new was his statement that the written answers from Trump were not truthful, he called the president's past comments about WikiLeaks beyond “problematic” and directly refuted Trump's assertion that the investigation amounted to a “total exoneration”.

Interesting he confirmed that Trump could be indicted after he leaves the Presidency.

Frightening that he said the Russians are still actively interfering in the US election but who cares in the Trump administration?

He did confirm the accuracy of instances of potential criminality by Trump detailed in his report and that Trump instructed his staff to falsify information given to Mueller.

Meanwhile the N. Koreans test launched two missiles.
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He did confirm the accuracy of instances of potential criminality by Trump detailed in his report and that Trump instructed his staff to falsify information given to Mueller.
Classic behaviour of an innocent person.
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Mueller is not a flashy guy, not a master of sound bites. The frail old man characterization is stupid.

I thought Ted Lieu‘s exchange with Mueller was quite good enough.

Trump‘s motivation for seeking a second term is to avoid prosecution and jail.
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Mueller is not a flashy guy, not a master of sound bites. The frail old man characterization is stupid.

I thought Ted Lieu‘s exchange with Mueller was quite good enough.

Trump‘s motivation for seeking a second term is to avoid prosecution and jail.
Indeed, the only way DT will be enjoying regular golf into his golden years, is if he gets a second term.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

On substance Mueller confirmed the following:
> Trump's actions met all of the requirements to be indicted for obstruction of justice. For example, by ordering White House counsel Don McGahn to lie.
> Mueller didn't indict Trump because of the legal memo stating presidents cannot be indicted.
> Mueller tried to interview Trump for a year but Trump refused.
> Trump was not truthful to Mueller in written testimony. (Recall that Ken Starr recommended Bill Clinton's impeachment for being not truthful about a blow job.)
> Trump's team did share campaign polling data with a Russian Intelligence Operative and discussed campaign strategy.

On appearance:
> Mueller did look old.
> His reluctance to pontificate beyond his report or to interject when falsehoods were stated but not asked directly made him look out of touch.

It's now clear Trump would have been indicted for 2 felonies if he were not the president: obstruction of justice and campaign finance violations. What one takes away from this depends on what they value. The substance of what President Trump has done or the political spectacle of the hearing. IMO, in our circus media environment, it's pretty clear what will carry the public narrative. It doesn't reflect a healthy country.
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Indeed, the only way DT will be enjoying regular golf into his golden years, is if he gets a second term.

That postpones it only for four years.


Better to make the US a monarchy and install King Donald the 1st.
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Epstein found with "neck injuries", unconscious on the floor of his cell.

Now, I wonder, would there be any powerful, wealthy man that could possibly want him silenced.

Hmm, tricky one.
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Now, I wonder, would there be any powerful, wealthy man that could possibly want him silenced.

Hmm, tricky one.
My negative reaction to this news surprised me. We need him healthy long enough to flip on everyone that helped him sell and rape children.
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Epstein found with "neck injuries", unconscious on the floor of his cell.

Now, I wonder, would there be any powerful, wealthy man that could possibly want him silenced.

Hmm, tricky one.
Attempted suicide seems more likely to me. He's being watched carefully now, in any case.
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Attempted suicide seems more likely to me. He's being watched carefully now, in any case.
I don't think so - how would you end up sprawled on the floor of your cell unconscious unless your ligature somehow miraculously broke when you were unconscious but not quite dead?
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