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Trump did it twice—the very stable genius quoted the same parody account in his next tweet.

“The Democrats hate this President so much, they’re forgetting about their duty to secure our Border.” @ThomasHomanICE @SteveHiltonx Sad but true!

What. A. Moron.
What is wrong about a parody president quoting a parody account?
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I'm seriously worried that our dear President will be elected a second time, especially after speaking to American friends visiting Switzerland. Too many US citizens have been brainwashed into thinking all dems/liberals are detrimental to US core values and the need to keep the nasty immigrants out of the country is a priority in securing the country against a wave of unwanted aliens.

America is closing its doors to the needy within and outside its borders to benefit those US citizens who have been successful in creating a financially stable life style through hard work, investments or inheritence.
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I'm seriously worried that our dear President will be elected a second time, especially after speaking to American friends visiting Switzerland. Too many US citizens have been brainwashed into thinking all dems/liberals are detrimental to US core values and the need to keep the nasty immigrants out of the country is a priority in securing the country against a wave of unwanted aliens.

America is closing its doors to the needy within and outside its borders to benefit those US citizens who have been successful in creating a financially stable life style through hard work, investments or inheritence.
Gee, what I said back in 2017 in post #2126 is still largely true today. Rs are doing a better job controlling the narrative and sticking together on most talking points. The next census is in 2020 so whichever party wins the most seats (in each state) gets to draw the lines. The Supreme Court ruled it won't get involved in gerrymandered districts so here we go...

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What Sandgrounder said, plus a little luck.

Step 1 - If you're the party in power when the census rolls around, you get to draw the lines. You'd be dumb to draw them in favor of the other side. The Rs happen to have been in power more places in 2000 and 2010, thus allowing them more chances to draw the districts they like.

Step 2 - Control the language. Rs have successfully made "liberal" into a naughty word, and then tacked on "tax and spend" to that moniker and it's stuck. At the same time, Rs have branded themselves as family-values, low tax, and pro-business/jobs. Ds haven't managed to change the overall perception of their party or the overall perception of the Rs.

Step 3 - Talk about the right topics to get people interested. Most folks want to know if they'll still have a job and a house, and if they can afford to put the kids through college and still enjoy a modest retirement. If that's all true AND you can save the planet, great. If not, shucks I guess the planet can wait.

Also I think the average American is more center-right than center-left. If you look at this year's election map, the blue spots are very much concentrated around population centers. This is why Rs seem to have more broad appeal in more places.

As for luck, lately the Rs have been lucky enough to be holding the presidency more as Supreme Court vacancies came up, compared to Ds. Between them, Reagan and the Bushes appointed 8 justices. Compare that to Clinton and Obama, who totaled 4. Three of the current justices are over 75 (including both Clinton appointees), so pundits speculate they will be replaced by Trump nominees. The trend is to appoint younger nominees that can serve longer, so it's not unrealistic to assume if Trump replaces 3 or 4 justices that the court will stay conservative for a generation or more.
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Childish I know but it is what it is....
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I have known Al for 25 years. Went to fights with him & Don King, always got along well. He “loved Trump!” He would ask me for favors often.
Al is a con man, a troublemaker, always looking for a score.
Just doing his thing. Must have intimidated Comcast/NBC. Hates Whites & Cops!
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House Republicans are reportedly hosting an upcoming yearly retreat in Baltimore — a city President Trump called “very dangerous,” “disgusting” and “rodent infested” in a series of tweets attacking it and Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.).

The Washington Post reported Monday that unidentified GOP sources said the House Republican Conference scheduled its September policy retreat, which the president would likely be asked to address, at a downtown Baltimore hotel.
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Seems they did not get the memo!
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“I don’t know what it’s going to take. A lot of Democratic run cities all over America look like this, it’s not just Baltimore, unfortunately.” Kimberly Klacik, Baltimore journalist Remember, Vote for Trump, what the h.... do you have to lose? Best unemployment numbers!
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I'm seriously worried that our dear President will be elected a second time, especially after speaking to American friends visiting Switzerland.
While I will be overjoyed to be proven wrong, I share your worries. Except mine have escalated from worries to fear.

The more time I spend in the US the clearer it becomes: Trump is not the root of the problem, Trump is the symptom. He has validated and normalized hatreds that have been simmering below the surface for ages. I fear there is no putting that genie back into the bottle.

When Trump leaves office, whenever that may be, we still have to deal with Trumpism. The problem is not limited to the man, the problem is not limited to his enablers. No, the problem is the millions of Americans who are stoked with hatred. The country is so badly divided that I fear we might not be able find a way to unite again.

My country - and let me be clear, it is my country and I love it - is in a crisis of culture and of conscience.

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The Democratic party has at times had an uncanny ability to seize defeat from the jaws of victory, and I see this happening again. There was a time some months ago I was hopeful, but the current purity testing and divisive bickering that seems to be dominating the news cycle does not bode well come November 2020. I fear a circular firing squad...

Which leaves us with Trump. And Trumpism.

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While I will be overjoyed to be proven wrong, I share your worries. Except mine have escalated from worries to fear.

The more time I spend in the US the clearer it becomes: Trump is not the root of the problem, Trump is the symptom. He has validated and normalized hatreds that have been simmering below the surface for ages. I fear there is no putting that genie back into the bottle.

When Trump leaves office, whenever that may be, we still have to deal with Trumpism. The problem is not limited to the man, the problem is not limited to his enablers. No, the problem is the millions of Americans who are stoked with hatred. The country is so badly divided that I fear we might not be able find a way to unite again.

My country - and let me be clear, it is my country and I love it - is in a crisis of culture and of conscience.

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The Democrat party has at times had an incanny ability to seize defeat from the jaws of victory, and I see this happening again. There was a time some months ago I was hopeful, but the current purity testing and divisive bickering that seems to be dominating the news cycle does not bode well come November 2020. I fear a circular firing squad...

Which leaves us with Trump. And Trumpism.

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It’s not just the US, so you’re not alone. Many other countries are grabbing at the low-hanging fruit and peddling populism and fear. Nobody needs to make anything sound sensible anymore; just put the fear of god into people with non-descript enemies and situations. Sow liberal (pun intended) mistrust in educated, qualified and experienced experts armed with facts which categorically disprove you. Make humanity, progression, and compassion mockable weaknesses and - bingo, you’ve got em hanging on your every word.

No shortage of people willing to swallow it all and, if you are lucky, an element so sold on the ideas you’re peddling, they’re willing to construct entire arguments for you! Bit like scientology...
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The more time I spend in the US the clearer it becomes: Trump is not the root of the problem, Trump is the symptom. He has validated and normalized hatreds that have been simmering below the surface for ages. I fear there is no putting that genie back into the bottle.

When Trump leaves office, whenever that may be, we still have to deal with Trumpism. The problem is not limited to the man, the problem is not limited to his enablers. No, the problem is the millions of Americans who are stoked with hatred. The country is so badly divided that I fear we might not be able find a way to unite again.

My country - and let me be clear, it is my country and I love it - is in a crisis of culture and of conscience.
I agree. In my view, Fox News is ground zero, not Trump. But both wouldn't be this effective drumming up hatred and celebrating ignorance without the pervasive intellectual and moral rot in our country. As an American, it's deeply depressing.

All that said, I think Trump has under a 50% chance of being reelected (I'd put it at ~40%). 2016 was one of the closest elections in history. Trump's lack of a track record let him skirt many important issues (like healthcare) and his signature policy accomplishment is unpopular. Now that he has a track record, his lies like providing healthcare for everyone, not cutting Medicaid or Medicare, taxing the wealthy, "draining the swamp", preventing factories from shutting down, and etc. can effectively be used against him. We'll see.

But the sad reality is that his ethnic nationalism (AKA Trumpism) will carry on without him. Our best hope is it fades with the boomer generation. Expanding voting access for young people is the best way to do that (automatic voter registration, improved voting convenience, etc.).

The kids are alright:
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According to the study — which was based on online surveys of 920 youths aged 13 to 17 and nearly 11,000 adults 18 or older — only 30 percent of Generation Z respondents said they approved of President Trump’s performance; more than half believed humans were fueling climate change; and 70 percent said they wanted the government to do more to solve the nation’s problems. Those views roughly mirror attitudes held by Millennials, and together, the two age groups may add up to a powerful voting bloc at odds with Republican orthodoxy, political scientists say.
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I agree that this genie will not get put back into the bottle! Trump has managed to verbalise, encourage and legitimise these hatreds which will simmer and boil for a long time.
If he does not get voted in next time I fear he will foment civil unrest!

As was posted, I fear he is likely to win the vote although his biggest strength is also his biggest weakness. The elephant in this room is that US presidents have very little influence on the economy despite Trump's boasts so if the economy should turn down then he has no tools to fix it.
With the exception of his tax cuts (which did not deliver everything promised; e.g. fiscal neutral) he has done nothing to stimulate the economy.

I also agree the Democrat party is again demonstrating uncanny ability to seize defeat from the jaws of victory, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) Monday night massacre being just one example.
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With the exception of his tax cuts (which did not deliver everything promised; e.g. fiscal neutral) he has done nothing to stimulate the economy.
This isn't quite true. The increased government spending under Trump has acted as a small stimulus to the economy. The Republican hypocrisy after curtailing spending under Obama in a recession and justified by faux-deficit concerns is galling. But it has had an effect:

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As you’ve probably heard, House Democrats have cut a two-year budget deal with Senate Republicans and President Donald Trump to suspend the federal debt ceiling and increase federal spending by $320 billion. The debt ceiling is an arbitrary and possibly counterproductive construct, while the spending increases aren’t all that big if you assume that inflation will continue at about 2% a year, and may not even represent increases in federal spending’s share of gross domestic product. Long-run concerns about the burgeoning federal debt left aside — since almost everybody seems to be leaving them aside these days — this seems like a reasonable enough deal.

It’s a big contrast, though, from what happened in budget negotiations during the six years of this economic cycle when Republicans ran the House of Representatives and a Democrat was in the White House. From 2011 through 2016 there were repeated threats of a debt default due to House Republican opposition to raising the debt ceiling, and budget sequestration that helped bring on a three percentage point decline in federal spending’s share of GDP. Coupled with belt-tightening at the state and local level, this resulted in an impact on real GDP growth of negative 0.5 percentage points a year, according to the quarterly fiscal impact calculations of the Brookings Institution’s Hutchins Center on Fiscal and Monetary Policy.

Since Trump took office, fiscal policy has, by contrast, contributed an average of 0.3 percentage points a year to GDP growth. That represents a 0.8 percentage point shift. Meanwhile, the average real GDP growth rate has risen from 2.1% a year during those six years to 2.8% since the beginning of 2017, a difference of 0.7 percentage points. Coincidence?
The GOP weaponized version of Keynesian economics ignores the recession and growth cycle. Instead, they spend/stimulate to help their politicians and cut spending to hurt opponents.

At this point, IMO, it will not be enough for Trump to make up for his other vulnerabilities. But it is a major factor in keeping him competitive.

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"I was down there [at Ground Zero] also, but I'm not considering myself a first responder, but I was down there. I spent a lot of time down there with you."

<pause for applause>

<silence>

silence because no one believed him, no one saw him there, but everyone saw his latest exploitation the 911 attacks for personal gain.

Spanky fans, is this really what you want to approve of? this speaks to the character of anyone who won't condemn this.
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This isn't quite true. The increased government spending under Trump has acted as a small stimulus to the economy. The Republican hypocrisy after curtailing spending under Obama in a recession and justified by faux-deficit concerns is galling. But it has had an effect:

The GOP weaponized version of Keynesian economics ignores the recession and growth cycle. Instead, they spend/stimulate to help their politicians and cut spending to hurt opponents.

At this point, IMO, it will not be enough for Trump to make up for his other vulnerabilities. But it is a major factor in keeping him competitive.
I am sure that increased government spending under Trump has acted as a small stimulus to the economy but I stay with my point that Trump has done nothing to stimulate the economy.

This economy stimulus was a side effect; Trump did not increase Govt. spending with the objective of improving the economy.
In the opposite direction the negative effects of Trump's trade wars on the economy and from the Govt. shut down are a side effect; it was not an objective.

I also find Republican hypocrisy after curtailing spending under Obama is galling.
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I am sure that increased government spending under Trump has acted as a small stimulus to the economy but I stay with my point that Trump has done nothing to stimulate the economy.

This economy stimulus was a side effect; Trump did not increase Govt. spending with the objective of improving the economy.
In the opposite direction the negative effects of Trump's trade wars on the economy and from the Govt. shut down are a side effect; it was not an objective.

I also find Republican hypocrisy after curtailing spending under Obama is galling.
Much of the benefit from the taxcut (perhaps a third) went to non-US shareholders of US companies. Particularly those shareholders of companies that used the windfall to buy back shares (and give executives even bigger bonuses).
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Tuesday, Trump said he hopes Ratcliffe can "rein in" US agencies.
"I think that John Ratcliffe is going to do an incredible job, if he gets approved," Trump told reporters at the White House, adding later, "I think we need somebody like that that's strong and can really rein it in. As you've all learned, the intelligence agencies have run amok. They've run amok."
Amok! He really does sound like a Putin agent
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Guatemala have yet to confirm this; Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan and Guatemalan Minister of Interior Enrique Degenhart said the two sides remained at the negotiating table.

Anyway the agreement would need to be ratified by the Guatemalan Congress. The country’s Constitutional Court has previously blocked any similar deals with the U.S.
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Rep. Mike Conaway (R-Texas) is reportedly planning to retire at the end of his term.
Including this, five GOP House reps (Reps. Paul Mitchell (Mich.), Rob Bishop (Utah), Pete Olson (Texas) and Martha Roby (Ala.) )have announced their retirements. This is very early in the season for such announcements implying another flood of GOP retirements this time around which could help Dem challenges

First tentative step by Twitter to control Trump excesses; "Trump retweeted a post from an account operating under the name "Lynn Thomas" that accused Democrats of being "the true enemies of America."

Just a few hours later, Twitter had suspended the account, confirming to CNN it had broken the platform's rules. The company did not say what rules the account had broken."
Although Twitter did nothing about his tweets against "the squad" which clearly broke the platform's rules.

Meanwhile facing criticism over his lack of intelligence community experience, President Donald Trump's nominee to replace Dan Coats as director of national intelligence -- Texas Rep John Ratcliffe -- points to his congressional website "As a US Attorney and federal terrorism prosecutor, Ratcliffe put terrorists in prison".

So far he has failed to come up with one name of any terrorist he put in prison; seems like he has common characteristics with Spanky.
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The Federal Reserve announced Wednesday that it would cut interest rates for the first time since the 2008 financial crisis in a bid to protect the U.S. economy from a global downturn, a 0.25 percentage-point cut.
The U.S. economy still boasts a strong labor market, rising wages and booming consumer spending so it is a strange moment to cut rates. Of course, they came under a lot of pressure from the great economist Trump, I hope this cut will not come back and bite them.

Also hope it does not start a death spiral to the bottom driving rate cuts by the European Central Bank, Bank of England, &&&&
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Reports on the results of the last US/China trade talks (30/31 July).
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White House version; The Chinese side confirmed their commitment to increase purchases of United States agricultural exports.
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Note; no definitions of which products, when purchases will start, estimated value of proposed purchases.

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Exactly what is meant by "favorable conditions" is not known; maybe dropping sanctions on Huawei?

Edit; next round of talks scheduled for September which confirms the rumour that there will be no agreement in the foreseeable future.
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