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Josephine Cox - in memory

It occurs to me that too many people are using the rhetoric about the current "change without bloodshed".

In light of the fact that this young politician was killed while in public service to her community, I find it important that we keep our minds open regarding the waves of hate spreading across Europe and the US.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-d...der-in-britain
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Re: Josephine Cox - in memory

"it was judged by some as incendiary to politicize the tragedy, however political it seemed at first glance"

It will be interesting to see whether the judge makes any reference to politics in his verdict.
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Old 23.11.2016, 14:26
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"it was judged by some as incendiary to politicize the tragedy, however political it seemed at first glance"

It will be interesting to see whether the judge makes any reference to politics in his verdict.
"Judge Mr Justice Wilkie said the murder was carried out to advance a political cause of violent white supremacism, associated with Nazism", reports the BBC.
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Re: Josephine Cox - in memory

As far as I've seen in the coverage of the verdict, the only reference to political issues were the quotes made by Mair at the time of the shooting.

The family of Jo Cox have been unbelievably stoic and dignified, and the trial didn't seem to become any kind of media circus.


EDIT - blimey, I should have checked out the Beeb before posting...
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The details of what happened were quite something. A 77 year old former miner tried to stop him and got stabbed for his efforts. Bloke in his 20s bravely shouts "Get the f**k off her" not once, but twice, with a courage not seen since that fella rolled up in front of the Bataclan with his piano and played Imagine.
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Interesting book collection:

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Re: Josephine Cox - in memory

Sadly killed in a terrorist attack. Awful
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Brussels is going to name a street after her. Martyr to the EU cause.
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Re: Josephine Cox - in memory

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It occurs to me that too many people are using the rhetoric about the current "change without bloodshed".

In light of the fact that this young politician was killed while in public service to her community, I find it important that we keep our minds open regarding the waves of hate spreading across Europe and the US.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-d...der-in-britain
If you compare the level of political violence in the UK today to the level of political violence in Italy and Germany during the 70s (Baader Meinhof, Red Brigades) the description of "waves of hate" seems a bit far fetched.
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Re: Josephine Cox - in memory

It was murder, not terrorism. It doesn't make it any better but it makes me angry that the judge is lumping it in the same category as terrorists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_terrorism

Point 3 is what I consider relevant to terrorism.
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Re: Josephine Cox - in memory

Terrorism targets random civilians to acheive a political goal, Jo Cox murder was a political murder - she was murdered because of her political position, not becuase she was at the wrong place at the wrong time.
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It was murder, not terrorism. It doesn't make it any better but it makes me angry that the judge is lumping it in the same category as terrorists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_terrorism

Point 3 is what I consider relevant to terrorism.
Shhhhh, we can't always keep going back to Breivik.
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Re: Josephine Cox - in memory

I wouldn't call it a terrorist attack, it was a politically motivated hate crime.

What a tragic thing to happen to somebody who only tried to do good. Some of commentators on this thread are a little heartless though, you know who you are.
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If you compare the level of political violence in the UK today to the level of political violence in Italy and Germany during the 70s (Baader Meinhof, Red Brigades) the description of "waves of hate" seems a bit far fetched.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...politan-police

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...-say/93681294/

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You think so?

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Sadly killed in a terrorist attack. Awful
No she wasn't. She was targeted by a man while she was standing on a street corner talking to her constituents, that isn't a random terrorist attack. He knew exactly who she was.
And she was very well liked and respected in her community.

She died in agony on the pavement, and left two young children behind. Some people here have lost touch with human reality altogether. Have a heart. Or at least some basic dignity.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world...reet-1.2688724

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Going up to a single person who you picked out and carefully planned to kill is murder. Blowing up scores of random people shopping in a market is terrorism.
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No she wasn't. She was targeted by a man while she was standing on a street corner talking to her constituents, that isn't a random terrorist attack. He knew exactly who she was.
And she was very well liked and respected in her community.

She died in agony on the pavement, and left two young children behind. Some people here have lost touch with human reality altogether. Have a heart. Or at least some basic dignity.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world...reet-1.2688724
I don't see how how describing how she died makes it any less of a terrorist attack.

Thankfully the Uk press and judges haven't taken the racist point of view that you need to be brown and Muslim to be a terrorist.

One can quote parts of Wikipedia pages all they want but let's go by Uk legislation since it was in the U.K.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/11/section/1
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Re: Josephine Cox - in memory

Ask 10 random people in the UK if it was a terrorist attack and i'm sure most will say no.

I don't recall many IRA members being brown or muslim, but they were sure as hell terrorists in my book.

Read the link to wikipedia again, point 1 covers it as far as they are concerned. Under this law, anybody attending a political rally is potentially a terrorist.
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Ask 10 random people in the UK if it was a terrorist attack and i'm sure most will say no.

I don't recall many IRA members being brown or muslim, but they were sure as hell terrorists in my book.

Read the link to wikipedia again, point 1 covers it as far as they are concerned. Under this law, anybody attending a political rally is potentially a terrorist.
Lucky for us laws aren't made by asking a random selection of 10 people or from reading wikipedia pages

Not sure what political rallies you attend
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Going up to a single person who you picked out and carefully planned to kill is murder. Blowing up scores of random people shopping in a market is terrorism.
I think what sets it apart is the fact he targeted her for political reasons rather than personal reasons. By 'terrorising' for political views he's sending a message in his warped way that this is what happens to politicians with a particular view. It could have been any person in her place holding the position of MP.
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