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Re: Victory at Standing Rock

One of the petitions is here.

https://www.change.org/p/north-dakot...-dapl-protests
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We often hear this argument relating to violent protests all over the world. However, little actual evidence is offered. In my view it is more likely that this type of event attracts all sorts of people for different reasons, including those who don't have a problem with violence. By blaming provocateurs, organizers are in denial of the problem and will thus be unable to develop a solution.
You can take a horse to water...so here, I am forcing you to drink.

http://www.citizenop.com/news/2016/1...kota-pipeline/
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Re: Victory at Standing Rock

Interesting development.

North Dakota Oil Pipeline Spills An Estimated 176,000 Gallons

That would be 666 thousand litres!

Most of the oil ran off into the local creek. But nothing to worry about with the originally planned route of the pipeline under the local lake.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0e05aded56896
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Re: Victory at Standing Rock

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It doesn't answer the "why", so i'll ask again:

Why is the army runnning civilian projects ?
It isn't, it's just that this area is federally owned.

One of the main objections is lack/insignificant studies on impact to Environment and already existing and functioning ecological and oecological Systems.

The natives are lucky this didn't happen a year later as Trump intends to downsize EPA.
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Re: Victory at Standing Rock

Does this mean the pipe is going ahead after all ?
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Re: Victory at Standing Rock

Yup!
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Does this mean the pipe is going ahead after all ?
Not surprising given Trump's support of the Zioninsts. At least he is consistent on this issue.

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Wrote Mahmoud Darwish, of the Native Americans. Of the Palestinians.

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Old 25.01.2017, 12:34
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Re: Victory at Standing Rock

The analogy is false - "Palestinians" are hardly the first nations (if they are nation at all, see the disappearnace of the Libyan, Yemeni, Syrian nations).

Arab imperalism wiped out at least as many nations as native americans lost but brought none of the advantages of western civilisation.

Back to the pipe - Can the USACE simply change it's decision based on a Presidential decree ?
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Re: Victory at Standing Rock

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The analogy is false - "Palestinians" are hardly the first nations (if they are nation at all, see the disappearnace of the Libyan, Yemeni, Syrian nations).

Arab imperalism wiped out at least as many nations as native americans lost but brought none of the advantages of western civilisation.

Back to the pipe - Can the USACE simply change it's decision based on a Presidential decree ?
And another thing. Using the term "zionism" to vilify your enemies is the thin edge of a dangerous wedge. It is legitimate to question why some people are richer and more powerful than others, and to ask how that came about. But to rubber stamp the 1% as Zionists is to imply that Jews are succesful because they are running a conspiracy to rig the system in their favour. We've been down that ugly path before in history and I would hope we have learnt from it.
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The analogy is false - "Palestinians" are hardly the first nations (if they are nation at all, see the disappearnace of the Libyan, Yemeni, Syrian nations).

Arab imperalism wiped out at least as many nations as native americans lost but brought none of the advantages of western civilisation.

Back to the pipe - Can the USACE simply change it's decision based on a Presidential decree ?

Realistically and soberly, its not much different with Native Americans. The Sioux tribe warred with the Cheyennes and the Pawnees. Women and children were fair game for slaughter in their wars. What we really don't know is who was there before them.

Nevertheless, the executive order is "subject to terms and conditions to be negotiated by us". I hope they bring in the Sioux council in these negotiations, and they in turn kick out the celebrities, hippies and radical activists from the negotiations.

There is no reason why the Sioux tribes should not or could not get proper compensation for any and all infringements on their rights. If they get Ben Carson confirmed, he can perhaps dig in deeper into the needs of those tribes and provide them things they need.
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Re: Victory at Standing Rock

Protest Camp cleared over flooding concerns. Doesn't look good but it's not over till it's over.

The U.S army shouldn't be invloved in civilan projects.
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