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Old 21.12.2016, 23:05
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OK, so what are the Brits doing that the French and Germans are not?

Perhaps there lies our solution.
Any idea that British intelligence are more successful is largely due to geography and gun laws. They weren't that good when it was the IRA.

Since my best mate's colleague was murdered in 2004
( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Stephen_Oake ), I think British police and intelligence have been overly aware of the cross over between immigration and terrorism intel.

The UK also has the advantage of a massive, multi-generational, largely well integrated Muslim population. Of my Muslim friends, only one wasn't born in the UK, but he came from a very privilaged background in Kenya with his Indian parents who are fiercely loyal to The Queen. Quite a mixture, but that's just how it is.
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Old 21.12.2016, 23:06
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OK, so what are the Brits doing that the French and Germans are not?

Perhaps there lies our solution.
They sit on a island surrounded by loads of water and leave the problem to the French, piling the asylum-seekers up at Calais etc.
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Old 21.12.2016, 23:11
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Getting the informants to pay you, That's class !

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Old 21.12.2016, 23:29
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They sit on a island surrounded by loads of water and leave the problem to the French, piling the asylum-seekers up at Calais etc.
That didn't stop the London tube bombings.

Do you really think it's the asylum seekers who are responsible for all the attacks? Some 'terrorists' almost certainly filtered in with the influx of refugees but most of them were already there being groomed to strike.
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Agreed.

Of course the UK border checks at French ports will soon be closed and the chekcs moved to the UK side, thanks to Brexit. And the French will have very little incentive to try and stop any wanting to cross from doing so. It's sure to 'help'...

Maybe Trump will sell the UK the plans for the wall - will the French pay for it, I wonder.
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Old 21.12.2016, 23:46
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That's the one who was also starring in some amateur gay porn.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.0d815e6aa794
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That didn't stop the London tube bombings.

Do you really think it's the asylum seekers who are responsible for all the attacks? Some 'terrorists' almost certainly filtered in with the influx of refugees but most of them were already there being groomed to strike.
How ISIS Smuggles Terrorists Among Syrian Refugees
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Do you really think it's the asylum seekers who are responsible for all the attacks?
Absolutely not. I thought that came accross quite clearly the past months.
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Old 22.12.2016, 00:36
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Some 'terrorists' almost certainly filtered in with the influx of refugees but most of them were already there being groomed to strike.
There's no almost about it. Last year, refugees on Kos were warning authorities of this.
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Old 22.12.2016, 01:59
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The best of it is that most of these countries refuse to take back their citizens when Germany tries to deport them. German and EU money is required to bribe them, and still they refuse. Wouldn't surprise me if this guy fits into that category.
"most of these countries refuse to take back their citizens when Germany tries to deport them" Well that is not surprising is it? They do not want them back for the exact same reasons that Germany wants to deport them for!
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Old 22.12.2016, 02:07
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"most of these countries refuse to take back their citizens when Germany tries to deport them" Well that is not surprising is it? They do not want them back for the exact same reasons that Germany wants to deport them for!
there is a repatriation agreement between Germany and Tunisia since March 2016 apparently. The problem is that countries like Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria won't accept the deported refugee until there is a documented proof of an ID and these guys destroy their original IDs and use different names & pretend to be from other countries. According to a french newspaper, Tunisia has "suddenly" recognized that it was one of her citizens and sent a travel passport to german authorities once the name/photo was published in the press.
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Old 22.12.2016, 02:12
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Sorry but I doubt the second part of your sentence. There are so many who perform crimes claiming they're ISIS and ISIS happily accepts any of those "donations". They seem to think it's a free pass and IS happily backs them all up because it adds to their reputation.
Me think.
no there is documented proof in the hands of german authorities that he was in contact with some salafist groups doing recruitment for ISIS. They caught the head of the group bu left this guy aside. Why they did not react earlier remains an unknown and will be investigated.
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Old 22.12.2016, 09:38
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no there is documented proof in the hands of german authorities that he was in contact with some salafist groups doing recruitment for ISIS. They caught the head of the group bu left this guy aside. Why they did not react earlier remains an unknown and will be investigated.
I would guess after letting in +1 million mainly Muslim migrants last year, German police are probably overwhelmed and under-prepared to deal with the situation they suddenly find themselves in.
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Old 22.12.2016, 10:01
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I would guess after letting in +1 million mainly Muslim migrants last year, German police are probably overwhelmed and under-prepared to deal with the situation they suddenly find themselves in.
The guy has spent four years in an Italian prison, has received another five year sentence in his home during his absence and was living in Germany off the grid - not formally registered, no address, moving from one islamist friend to another. The intelligence service apparently knew he was around and there was some surveillance on him a few months back as he hang out with people known to the anti terror units. Afterwards is it always easy to scream "so why did they not just arrest him and send him back" but clearly was he not considered an immediate threat and arresting him would give away that his buddies were under surveillance of the Verfassungsschutz. It's a bit like any football game, every time you lose are there millions of wannabe-coaches who know exactly what needs to be done and what went wrong... the truth is that the German police has a strong case to rather collect intelligence than arresting everyone at the first moment possible... we have more than one case of people coming back to wherever you send them back to. And we also have several terrorist cells which were stopped in their tracks before anyone got killed but late enough to have all the proof you need to lock them away for a long time...
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Old 22.12.2016, 10:03
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Re: Truck crashes into a Berlin Christmas market

why is the reward for this guy so small? 100k euros, big deal, hardly a life changing amount that would allow any grass to disappear.
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Old 22.12.2016, 10:17
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Just seen on the news that Anis Amri is 5ft 8in and approx 11 stone. First thing that came into my head is "Is that all? I could take him down!" Unless he's a trained prize fighter, this idiot's a wimp. No wonder he has to hide behind a weapon.

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I would guess after letting in +1 million mainly Muslim migrants last year, German police are probably overwhelmed and under-prepared to deal with the situation they suddenly find themselves in.
Hindsight is 20/20 and we can all speculate as to where this all went wrong. What's glaringly obvious with this little man is that he didn't come down the immigrant route. He's a petty criminal who arrived in Germany from Italy with multiple passports claiming multiple nationalities (Tunisian, Lebonese, Egyptian and Syrian so far), so somewhere along the way, he had the money to buy these passports or they were provided by other sources. At some point, he's passed through Switzerland or Austria.

There are multiple failings with this, and the 1 million refugees were nothing more than a diversion. It would have helped if Greece and Italy had been given the millions to correctly process these people instead of the funds being given to Turkey, but in this case, it's all been smoke and mirrors for someone to slip through the net.
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Hindsight is 20/20
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At some point, he's passed through Switzerland or Austria.
Or France...
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"People are rightly outraged and anxious that such a person can walk around here, keep changing his identity and the legal system can't cope with them," said Rainer Wendt, who heads the German police union.

"Nationwide, there are a large number of refugees about whom we don't know where they're from or what their names are. And that's a potentially major security issue," said CDU member Klaus Bouillon, the interior minister of the state of Saarland.
http://www.dw.com/en/search-for-berl...ows/a-36870208

Alot of Germany security heads seem to be overwhelmed and unable to cope with the "refugee" situation. They had been concerned about that already 2 years ago, but Merkel had promised that they could "schaffen das"
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Alot of Germany security heads seem to be overwhelmed and unable to cope with the "refugee" situation. They had been concerned about that already 2 years ago, but Merkel had promised that they could "schaffen das"


What country isn´t overwhelmed with the refugee situation? At least from the countries that took loads of refugees in??
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