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EU job ad:
Looking for 1000 language specialists, 50 each of the following languages (list to follow), with internationally accepted credentials, pristine police record, and willing to move from one corner of the EU to the other on a whim, without pattern or predictability.

Looking forward to LiB's and other's complaints why the EU is hiring a four-digit number of completely useless but outrageously highly paid bloody foreigners, non-EU nationals to boot. Provided a sufficient number could be found to begin with.
You're a real genius sometimes. I'm assuming that you're Swiss..now, how hard would it be for you to determine whether somebody is from Basel, Zurich, Thurgau or from Bern...pretty easy, as those dialects are very distinct. Now, would you think that somebody who speaks Arabic could do that with let's say Arabic speaking countries?

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So based on this you are from Pakistan?
Karachi's finest...what can I say, you got me there.
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Re: Truck crashes into a Berlin Christmas market

So the guy couldn't be deported due to red tape issues with Tunisia.
But he was also a security risk who seemingly shouldn't have been able to travel freely around Europe.

Perhaps the next step is to begin assessing asylum cases (with possible detentions) offshore, similar to Australia's system.
This way if the asylum or migration is rejected yet the detainee cannot be deported there is a place to hold them.
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Old 23.12.2016, 15:42
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Its actually not just about the deaths, its about the fear and the disruption to normal daily life. That is their aim and right now they are making a very good job of it.
Exactly how has your daily life changed?

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He was a known criminal who set fire to a school in Italy for which he spent close to 4 years in jail. Why was he still able to walk around freely and not be deported? How can our authorities be so impotent to not apply more drastic measures to such individuals?
What do you want? Concentration camps? Deportation centres are full to bursting, and the UK (in their infinite wisdom ) will be demolishing their two biggest ones to make way for the new runway at LHR.

As Mr Vertigo has said, this was a petty crim with multiple passports and ID docs. The questions you should be asking are how and where did he get those docs? Did he have a supply chain? Where does the paper trail on that supply chain lead back to?
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Exactly how has your daily life changed?



What do you want? Concentration camps? Deportation centres are full to bursting, and the UK (in their infinite wisdom ) will be demolishing their two biggest ones to make way for the new runway at LHR.

As Mr Vertigo has said, this was a petty crim with multiple passports and ID docs. The questions you should be asking are how and where did he get those docs? Did he have a supply chain? Where does the paper trail on that supply chain lead back to?
He was also on the U.S. no-fly list..the authorities in Italy and Germany knew who he was. Couldn't they have just google searched the mugshot and compare it with a database? Seems fairly simple to me.
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It's very naive to assume that a country can't establish identity without a passport. Germany and Italy knew his identity.
the going rate for syrian/iraqi genuine passports stolen from government is about 2000$. You can try asking syrian/iraqi govnmt to authenticate them.
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Now, would you think that somebody who speaks Arabic could do that with let's say Arabic speaking countries?
It's very likely that he also spoke French and Italian.
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It's very likely that he also spoke French and Italian.
Yes Columbo, very well deduced.
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the going rate for syrian/iraqi genuine passports stolen from government is about 2000$. You can try asking syrian/iraqi govnmt to authenticate them.
Aren't you tired from contantly moving the goalposts ?

Tunesia, the poster boy of the "Arab Spring", is not expriecing a bloody civil war like Iraq & Syria (yet?). It has a functioning government and rumour has also Telephones and this new technology which rimes with "Inter Bet".
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He was also on the U.S. no-fly list..the authorities in Italy and Germany knew who he was. Couldn't they have just google searched the mugshot and compare it with a database? Seems fairly simple to me.
I've said this time and time again. The US no fly list is flawed. I've had a few business clients who were refused permission because of this. One of them had the same name and date of birth as a person on the list, and even though he was varified by his company as having been a high standing employee of theirs for many years, it took two years for US authorities to allow him to enter the US.

Now before you get on your high horse and praise the US authorities, this client's name was as common as John Smith. The second level of security was his date of birth. It took them 2 whole years of constant tooing and froing to realise that this guy was rather high up in a major International company. Total ineptitude!
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I've said this time and time again. The US no fly list is flawed. I've had a few business clients who were refused permission because of this. One of them had the same name and date of birth as a person on the list, and even though he was varified by his company as having been a high standing employee of theirs for many years, it took two years for US authorities to allow him to enter the US.

Now before you get on your high horse and praise the US authorities, this client's name was as common as John Smith. The second level of security was his date of birth. It took them 2 whole years of constant tooing and froing to realise that this guy was rather high up in a major International company. Total ineptitude!
Boo forking huh...I don't care about your client. Send him a fruit-basket and one of those business lounge vouchers. What is important to me is that at least 3 countries had information pertaining to the terrorist and knew exactly who he was.
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Aren't you tired from contantly moving the goalposts ?

Tunesia, the poster boy of the "Arab Spring", is not expriecing a bloody civil war like Iraq & Syria (yet?). It has a functioning government and rumour has also Telephones and this new technology which rimes with "Inter Bet".
tiresome conversation. Please read before answering.
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Yes Columbo, very well deduced.
Ok...take our own language.

I could put you in a room with 10 South Africans and 10 New Zealanders and 10 Canadians and absolutely guarantee you wouldn't be able to get the nationaility of every person correct just by hearing them speak.
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The guy destroyed his ID documents as soon as he arrived in Italy. How do you establish his nationality...you know they all look the same . He used 4 different IDs and nationalities.
He presented an identity which granted him an asylum procedure. After rejection that should also be the identity for deportation.

While I'm a huge advocate of our constitutional state I do strongly vote for a change of our laws about deportation without laissez-passer (the name of the document the native country issues for deportations). We also have a law that people without permission to reside/visas are not allowed to be here. That one should overrule the rules of deportation.
By the way, the people we deport with a laissez-passer still don't have ID documents (like passport etc.) it's a one-time-thing.
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Ok...take our own language.

I could put you in a room with 10 South Africans and 10 New Zealanders and 10 Canadians and absolutely guarantee you wouldn't be able to get the nationaility of every person correct just by hearing them speak.
..and why would that be?
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Re: Truck crashes into a Berlin Christmas market

The concrete blocks put up at the Christmas market in front of Hamburgs city hall...
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Seems pretty straightforward to me...
Excerpts of sample phone call from LiB's Diplomacy for Dummies Vol. 3: "Hello, yes, is this Tunisia? Yeah, this is Italy speaking. We have here XYZ...yes, he tried to set fire to a school, yes really. We don't want him anymore, please take him back or we'll parachute him into Tunis the next week or so....fantastic, ok thank you have a great day, goodbye."
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I'm pretty sure a linguist etc. specializing in a certain region can easily determine where somebody is from based on their syntax and accent.
LOL!

And Tunis reply "what great ideas. Our linguists have checked our prisons and found many terrorists with West European accents.
We are packing their parachutes as we speak!"
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Looking forward to LiB's and other's complaints why the EU is hiring a four-digit number of completely useless but outrageously highly paid bloody foreigners, non-EU nationals to boot. Provided a sufficient number could be found to begin with.
Unsachlich (uncalled for) , mate.
Bern uses those people on regular bases. Few of them are truly crap - but with others asylum-seekers got supported. There are also geographical tests done at the interviews.

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Ok...take our own language.

I could put you in a room with 10 South Africans and 10 New Zealanders and 10 Canadians and absolutely guarantee you wouldn't be able to get the nationaility of every person correct just by hearing them speak.
Hmmmm, I might make it into Britain ..... when would I have to be where?

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The concrete blocks put up at the Christmas market in front of Hamburgs city hall...
Are you sure that is not one of those new fangled modern art exhibitions?

Let us hope they are not smart enough to hijack one of this type!
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tiresome conversation. Please read before answering.
Keep ignoring reality & calling people names when you are caught out (often).

The Murderer's true identity and nationality was known long ago by the authorities. Whether it was negligence or bureaucracy which stopped his deportation will be seen.

Inthe mena time, the EU needs to get it's act together and figure out a way to keep away criminally dangerous asylum seekers/illegal immigrants - perhpas lease an island from Greece, similar to the Australian method ?
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You're a real genius sometimes. I'm assuming that you're Swiss..now, how hard would it be for you to determine whether somebody is from Basel, Zurich, Thurgau or from Bern...pretty easy, as those dialects are very distinct. Now, would you think that somebody who speaks Arabic could do that with let's say Arabic speaking countries?


Karachi's finest...what can I say, you got me there.
You're assuming correctly.

Your comparison requires knowing the other dialect, which in turn requires a not exactly trivial amount of exposure, preferably early in one's life. I don't know to what extent this applies to the arabs, but considering how tribe-centered they are said to think I'd be surprised if they didn't shun each other, which in turn would mean little to no inter-tribe communication and hence lack of exposure. It would be intersting to hear people with knowledge commenting, any arabs on this board willing to comment?

Now, the actual task you suggest would be trivial for most any native Swiss German, but impossible for most native German speakers. Likewise it may well be near-trivial for an Iraqi to localise another Iraqi but impossible for most other arabs. I'd be rather surprised if this weren't often case.

Now, all that requires that an individual is indeed willing to use the language that allows localization. Someone refusing to oblige will be impossible to localize using that approach.

Ohhh, if only it were that simple.
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