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Old 24.12.2016, 00:12
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OK then

Tesbah ala khir.
Well, that's a nice thing to say, shokran gidan and same to you.
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Old 24.12.2016, 00:15
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wa enta min ahlou
Okay, okay, I've reached my limit .... but it was addressed to marton anyway so maybe it's better that way?


okay, WHO started this?

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Old 24.12.2016, 00:26
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Re: Truck crashes into a Berlin Christmas market

Thank goodness we don't have any Lebanese on the forum, otherwise all we would read is "Habibi, Habibi this, Habibi that, Habibi, Habibi"
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Old 24.12.2016, 00:29
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Thank goodness we don't have any Lebanese on the forum, otherwise all we would read is "Habibi, Habibi this, Habibi that, Habibi, Habibi"
Oh yeah .... a long time I heard that (I'm getting all sappy on this thread, sod it).
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Old 24.12.2016, 01:36
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So the guy couldn't be deported due to red tape issues with Tunisia.
But he was also a security risk who seemingly shouldn't have been able to travel freely around Europe.

Perhaps the next step is to begin assessing asylum cases (with possible detentions) offshore, similar to Australia's system.
This way if the asylum or migration is rejected yet the detainee cannot be deported there is a place to hold them.
Australia court has ruled offshore detention is unconstitutional
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Old 24.12.2016, 03:06
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Alright, all jokes and habibis aside, this matter is rather terrible. For one, I feel for the refugees, people with shattered homes just trying to survive. Kids, former athletes like Samia Yusuf Omar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samia_Yusuf_Omar) who just wanted to escape her harrowing faith in Somalia and took a very long shot on a boat in Libya. What is there to say, the politicians failed these people, the politicians fails Europeans. There was absolutely no adequate plan to dealing with the sudden influx of people. People with the best intentions as well as people with nefarious intentions. Once again, there is no unity within the EU, the authorities aren't talking and everything is solely based on some reactionary attitude. There is rising hatred from both the left as well as the right corner and both are quite understandable. We need our politicians to step up and come up with a real solution..as clearly, the present condition isn't working one bit. Thousands have lost theirs lives in the Mediterranean, 100s have lost their lives because of some sickening ideology. I hope 2017 will turn out to be a pragmatic one for the ones seeking help as well as the safety of the ones offering it. Berlin, Paris, the Mediterranean shouldn't be happening anymore in today's so-called sophisticated society.
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Old 24.12.2016, 03:33
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Alright, all jokes and habibis aside, this matter is rather terrible. For one, I feel for the refugees, people with shattered homes just trying to survive. Kids, former athletes like Samia Yusuf Omar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samia_Yusuf_Omar) who just wanted to escape her harrowing faith in Somalia and took a very long shot on a boat in Libya. What is there to say, the politicians failed these people, the politicians fails Europeans. There was absolutely no adequate plan to dealing with the sudden influx of people. People with the best intentions as well as people with nefarious intentions. Once again, there is no unity within the EU, the authorities aren't talking and everything is solely based on some reactionary attitude. There is rising hatred from both the left as well as the right corner and both are quite understandable. We need our politicians to step up and come up with a real solution..as clearly, the present condition isn't working one bit. Thousands have lost theirs lives in the Mediterranean, 100s have lost their lives because of some sickening ideology. I hope 2017 will turn out to be a pragmatic one for the ones seeking help as well as the safety of the ones offering it. Berlin, Paris, the Mediterranean shouldn't be happening anymore in today's so-called sophisticated society.
All well said. Only: Expecting the politicians to come up with the perfect solution - even bashing them while they try - is imho not the way to do it. It's up to every single person - who takes interest in the subject at least - to ponder the problem and maybe come up with new ideas, one of them might be the satisfying one. So as we're placing wishes for 2017 now: I wish for more productive critics, for innovativ ideas and .... what do you guys call it? Out of the box thinking?
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Good post Lost_inbroad. Simple question about EU unity and intelligence- will it improve with Brexit?
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What does Brexit have to do with anything in this thread?

You're obsessed!
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Lost_in mentionned Europe not being united on how to deal with immigration and terrorism- and it makes total sense to aks the question, will it be better before or after. Totally on topic.

As for the UK, the UK border posts at French ports like Calais will be cancelled and moved to UK arrival ports- and the French will have little incentive in keeping those who want to cross from crossing- and living the Calais nightmare all over again. Oder? It's all linked- sorry yu can't see it.
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Lost_in mentionned Europe not being united on how to deal with immigration and terrorism- and it makes total sense to aks the question, will it be better before or after. Totally on topic.

As for the UK, the UK border posts at French ports like Calais will be cancelled and moved to UK arrival ports- and the French will have little incentive in keeping those who want to cross from crossing- and living the Calais nightmare all over again. Oder? It's all linked- sorry yu can't see it.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with asylum processing, security or terrorism in Italy or Germany. Nothing.

The United Kingdom isn't the centre of the world, you know.
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Old 24.12.2016, 12:38
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Oh I do - but many here on EF are from the UK- and some of us still have a big stake in the UK in the form of children, grandchildren, family and friends- and even our own future. Refugees, economic migrants, come via Italy and Greece, and end up further along the line. I talked to some of them in Catania- they were all on their way to Calais and UK. So yes, it is all linked.

You voted despite saying very clearly that you have no intention of ever going back, and more or less only visit under duress if you really have to. So why vote- unless it is to destroy the EU you clearly despise- as you have no personal stake in it all anymore?

Don't wish to make this personal. but since you insist, sorry.
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Old 24.12.2016, 12:42
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Re: Truck crashes into a Berlin Christmas market

Just when the Arabic was over, you changed the topic to Brexit
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All well said. Only: Expecting the politicians to come up with the perfect solution - even bashing them while they try - is imho not the way to do it. It's up to every single person - who takes interest in the subject at least - to ponder the problem and maybe come up with new ideas, one of them might be the satisfying one. So as we're placing wishes for 2017 now: I wish for more productive critics, for innovativ ideas and .... what do you guys call it? Out of the box thinking?
Politicians need to held accountable for the policies they've put in place to deal with and plan for refugees.. if they decide to go against the advice of human rights people on the ground (in Greece, Lebanon, Jordan)they should explain why. If they ignore advice from long established respected Muslim community leaders in Europe, they need to explain and be open to public debate.. however, the EU is a closed shop: secret non transparent meetings/ decisions that the public have no knowledge of and have no say. Populism is an easy, convenient & effective way for the EU politician to dismiss the public, brush them aside and carry on regardless..

It is unfortunate the EU have failed to instil confidence across Europe with their short sighted methods in dealing with the crisis, and is the reason why the far right have the stage now.
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Oh I do - but many here on EF are from the UK- and some of us still have a big stake in the UK in the form of children, grandchildren, family and friends- and even our own future. Refugees, economic migrants, come via Italy and Greece, and end up further along the line. I talked to some of them in Catania- they were all on their way to Calais and UK. So yes, it is all linked.

You voted despite saying very clearly that you have no intention of ever going back, and more or less only visit under duress if you really have to. So why vote- unless it is to destroy the EU you clearly despise- as you have no personal stake in it all anymore?

Don't wish to make this personal. but since you insist, sorry.
You make everything personal. You are the queen of ad hominem.

Your points are irrelevant, your argument meaningless. Brexit has nothing to do with what happened in Germany or Italy this week. Nor have my personal circumstances.
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If movement of potential terrorists around the EU, including CH due to bilaterals- has nothing to do with what happened in Berlin and Milan- then I have to say right back at you. A pity. Your comment about me being 'obssessed' with Brexit makes my comment a valid reply- you made it clear you dind't vote for the UK, but against the EU- because you have a long term personal anti EU stance which you have made abundantly clear over the years on EF.
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If movement of potential terrorists around the EU, including CH due to bilaterals- has nothing to do with what happened in Berlin and Milan- then I have to say right back at you. A pity. Your comment about me being 'obssessed' with Brexit makes my comment a valid reply- you made it clear you dind't vote for the UK, but against the EU- because you have a long term personal anti EU stance which you have made abundantly clear over the years on EF.
That's a lie.

You really are full of shit. Or drunk. Or both.

You wanted to make it personal? Now it's personal.
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Old 24.12.2016, 13:31
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I talked to some of them in Catania- they were all on their way to Calais and UK.
They were all on their way to Calais. Full stop.

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You voted despite saying very clearly that you have no intention of ever going back, and more or less only visit under duress if you really have to. So why vote- unless it is to destroy the EU you clearly despise- as you have no personal stake in it all anymore?
See, and there lies the problem. Voting is not about me, myself and I. Voting is about where do I think the future lies, what do I think is best in the big picture. I've had situation where I realized oh shit, this will not be good for me really right now - yet voted that way, swallowed up my short-term-loss for what I personally thought was worth that.
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Politicians need to held accountable for the policies they've put in place to deal with and plan for refugees.. if they decide to go against the advice of human rights people on the ground (in Greece, Lebanon, Jordan)they should explain why. If they ignore advice from long established respected Muslim community leaders in Europe, they need to explain and be open to public debate.. however, the EU is a closed shop: secret non transparent meetings/ decisions that the public have no knowledge of and have no say. Populism is an easy, convenient & effective way for the EU politician to dismiss the public, brush them aside and carry on regardless..

It is unfortunate the EU have failed to instil confidence across Europe with their short sighted methods in dealing with the crisis, and is the reason why the far right have the stage now.
Puring water on my mill?
Whining about having the wrong representatives, about how they proceed (secret meetings etc) is gonna get you nowhere. (It is a hell of a lot easier than steering against that though). How do you think the EU-leaders got that far in "cooking their elite soup" in secret? The people let them. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if it were possible to look into the protocols etc. But let's face it, that is too much hassle, let's just complain. Until it's too late.
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Re: Truck crashes into a Berlin Christmas market

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Good post Lost_inbroad. Simple question about EU unity and intelligence- will it improve with Brexit?
I have to admit that I don't see the logic behind this question. Why would Brexit make any difference to EU unity and intelligence?

The border controls are there now and will still be there when Brexit happens since the UK was never a part of the Schengen zone. I don't see how the UK leaving the EU will have any effect on how the rest of the EU deal with things.
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Sad- won't trawl years of Ef to find threads making that clear- just too tragic.
Signing off- just do not wish to be part of this stuff.

BM - I am surprised you can't see that 'unity and good intelligence' is better when united rather than divided. As said, best if I sign off now.
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