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- the suspect caught after incident is a pakistani or afghan citizen who used different identities. He entered in feb 2016 as refugee.
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Sticking my chemtrails hat on, I'm starting to wonder if all that migrant crap last year wasn't simply deliberate. The shite that come with 1.5 million new arrivals justifies an EU border force, increased surveillance, EU army, tax numbers, common police force. etc. etc.

They must have known this would be the result. Everyone at the time was saying so. Yet they carried on regardless. Terrorism, increased social tension, sexual assaults. All good excuses for a government to push through any legislation that they want.
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German security police had warned that letting in millions of undocumented people from the Middle East would pose a security threat, but the "Wilkommenskulture" voices were louder and nobody listened to them. It seems they were right. Huh, go figure. I guess Germany has now "welcomed" the same kind of terrorist problems that France, Belgium, etc. have....


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The apparent terrorist attack comes after Germany has taken in more than 1 million refugees over the past two years, raising questions over the country's ability to handle such a large number of newcomers. The influx has sparked security concerns and forced the government to heighten security measures ahead of federal elections in 2017, in which Chancellor Angela Merkel's immigration policies are expected to be a central issue.
German authorities have foiled several planned attacks recently, arresting dozens of alleged Islamists. In early October, a Syrian refugee was detained for allegedly planning to bomb a Berlin airport. The suspect, Jaber Albakr, later killed himself while in custody.
In July, a suspected 17-year-old Afghan refugee wielding an ax and knife wounded five people on a train in Bavaria before being shot dead by police. Days later, a Syrian asylum seeker claiming to act in the name of IS blew himself up at a festival in the southern city of Ansbach, wounding 15 people.
Around the same time, an 18-year-old German-Iranian gunman killed nine people at a shopping mall in Munich before committing suicide. Authorities said the young man, who had planned the attack for a year, was "obsessed" with mass murders and had no links to the IS group.
Earlier this month, a 12-year-old was arrested for allegedly assembling a homemade nail bomb he tried to explode at a Christmas market in the western city of Ludwigshafen.
http://www.dw.com/en/germany-on-edge...-12/a-36838008
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German security police had warned that letting in millions of undocumented people from the Middle East would pose a security threat, but the "Wilkommenskulture" voices were louder and nobody listened to them. It seems they were right. Huh, go figure. I guess Germany has now "welcomed" the same kind of terrorist problems that France, Belgium, etc. have....



http://www.dw.com/en/germany-on-edge...-12/a-36838008
I think Germany realised that after the summer terrorist attacks that happened in their country.
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German SEK commando police now storming a Hanger a Tempelhof airport that's being used as a refugee shelter.
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I think Germany realised that after the summer terrorist attacks that happened in their country.
Yes, the "hangover" from the welcome party has come quite swiftly

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To be fair, the vast majority are probably good law abiding people but how do you distinguish between the good and the few nutters amongst them.
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I think Germany realised that after the summer terrorist attacks that happened in their country.
Nope, they were warned. By everyone.

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That's what I meant, sorry it wasn't clear.
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To be fair, the vast majority are probably good law abiding people but how do you distinguish between the good and the few nutters amongst them.
Of course, 90% are probably regular people, but if 10% are not, and you let in millions, well, do the math
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Of course, 90% are probably regular people, but if 10% are not, and you let in millions, well, do the math
Exactly, my question is how do you apply the control measures to negate the risk on such a global scale? Virtually impossible for all security/itelligence services.
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Exactly, my question is how do you apply the control measures to negate the risk on such a global scale? Vertually impossible for all security/iteligence services.
The EU simply needs to police it's borders better and stop letting everybody in based on their flawed refugee policy and ridiculously generous social help system in countries like Germany and Sweden. It's being exploited by economic migrants and terrorists alike. The EU can't save the world by bringing everyone over here. They need to help by helping directly in the problem areas like the ME to help improve the situation there.

Last year the "Balkan Route" was blown wide open and thousands were entering non-stop daily, until finally Macedonia and Hungary decided to put up fences to stop the flow (despite being called "racists" by the liberal left in central EU). Italy/Greece are still allowing boat-loads in daily instead of turning the boats back to their destination points. The EU can't and shouldn't allow everyone in. It's gone out of control in too many ways. The terror attacks are only the visible tip of the iceberg. There's alot more problems underneath.
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Exactly, my question is how do you apply the control measures to negate the risk on such a global scale? Virtually impossible for all security/itelligence services.
You can't. And basically it's too late now to do anything. Instead of opening the door all comers, they should have taken genuine refugees from the source camps in Syria, Turkey and Lebanon. Now they just have to deal with it.
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Sticking my chemtrails hat on, I'm starting to wonder if all that migrant crap last year wasn't simply deliberate. The shite that come with 1.5 million new arrivals justifies an EU border force, increased surveillance, EU army, tax numbers, common police force. etc. etc.

They must have known this would be the result. Everyone at the time was saying so. Yet they carried on regardless. Terrorism, increased social tension, sexual assaults. All good excuses for a government to push through any legislation that they want.
Now you start looking at the big picture.

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German security police had warned that letting in millions of undocumented people from the Middle East would pose a security threat
That was simply stating the obvious .... and you can replace "Middle East" with anything you like.

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The EU can't save the world by bringing everyone over here. They need to help by helping directly in the problem areas like the ME to help improve the situation there.
This is a well known fact - the problem up until now to do this efficiently is the corruption in those countries.
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Re: Truck crashes into a Berlin Christmas market

We can't compare Berlin & Paris or Belgium: most of the terrorist in Paris and Belgium are born in country and are nationals of those countries. In Berlin it's more terrorist hidden among the recent refugees flow. We did not see *yet* a legal turkish/"middle eastern" immigrant perpetrating attacks in Germany.

We can blame Merkel we can blame the EU, Hungary, Turkey....but at the end some weird politicians tried to play God in Afghanistan & Iraq in the 90s. We are harvesting the results of those "attempts".
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Of course, 90% are probably regular people, but if 10% are not, and you let in millions, well, do the math
So there are 100,000 sleeper terrorists in Germany?
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What has Germany done to itself? Not even 5 years ago such an attack would have been unimaginable.
Really? Cause five years ago we already had 9/11 in NY, the London tube bombing, the Madrid bombing, a bomb in Stockholm, a terror attack in Moscow... for many years have Germans expected that it will one day hit Berlin.

Looking at the pictures of Aleppo do I not for a second regret that 800.000 Syrians have been able to flee to Germany and were not let to die in their country. Yes, some will be criminals. Yes, some spies and terrorists abused the situation to smuggle themselves through. Anyone who claims it's 10% is just silly, it's a fraction of a percent, so a few hundred people who are dangerous. A size the police should be able to tackle, but admittedly is the identification of suspects difficult. A small handfull have so far actually acted. Every one of them is too much, but if you guys (except of Loz who does so for years) now get afraid and xenophobic do they just get what they want... and to just put this into perspective: in return have thousands of Europeans done the opposite and moved to the "caliphate". These immigrants have been the ones killing thousands of innocent locals, raped and enslaved women and generally done some of the worst attrocities of the last few decades. But somehow do we simply ignore that and pretend it's all Arabs and none of our business...

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I'm hearing the Zurich shooting was at a mosque so perhaps the shooter was mentally disabled instead of a terrorist.
Right. So if it was a white Swiss guy in the end would we see him as mentally disabled. If it is an equally crazy Arab or Pakistani is it some evil terrorist?
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Sticking my chemtrails hat on, I'm starting to wonder if all that migrant crap last year wasn't simply deliberate. The shite that come with 1.5 million new arrivals justifies an EU border force, increased surveillance, EU army, tax numbers, common police force. etc. etc.

They must have known this would be the result. Everyone at the time was saying so. Yet they carried on regardless. Terrorism, increased social tension, sexual assaults. All good excuses for a government to push through any legislation that they want.
You should start writing for a Netflix series...I tell ya!
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