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Old 20.12.2016, 16:03
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Meanwhile in Berlin: The Pakistani is still a SUSPECT and denies having anything to do with it. That's quite uncommon for a religious terrorist... so the federal criminal police is worried if they might have the wrong guy as somebody might have just jumped at the next best brownish looking dude...

So let's just see what actually happens before we jump to more conclusions....
I don't read any denial that the Pakistani suspect was a criminal known to interpol and been involved in sex crimes and petty theft :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ople-dead.html

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Arrested suspect Naved B, is believed to have entered the country under a false name on New Year's Eve 2015, and some German newspapers said he may have been radicalised by an ISIS handler after arriving in Germany.
Germany's Defence Minister Thomas de Maizière today confirmed that the suspect was not on Germany's terror list but was on the Interpol list of criminals. He was also allegedly arrested in Berlin for a sex attack in July and other petty crimes.
The minister also revealed that the suspect had failed to attend his first asylum hearing and then appeared at a second but claimed he spoke no German and required an interpreter so it was adjourned.
16 of the most wounded victims are in intensive care at Berlin's Charite University Clinic - eight are in a critical condition.
Naved B has been taken to a Berlin police station for interrogation. The suspect is denying involvement in the crime.
German officials have said that the suspect is a Pakistani national who entered Germany via the Balkans on December 31 and February he went to the authorities in Berlin to claim asylum.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ople-dead.html
How can such a person be either allowed into the country or not have been already forcible repatriated ??? It's a complete cluster kucf.
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it's more about the novelty of these incidents or attacks. Which is why I keep saying terrorism may not be new (it definitely isn't), but the form it takes is definitely quite new.
Nope. Not the form either. The only novelty for us is that they take place here.

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Ah yes, from the video you could clearly see that he must have been a lecturer or an expat. Seriously, what business did he have in Germany?! I don't care what you do, build a fence, walls, it doesn't matter, what matters is the safety of the people living in any given country and that should be the priority. The times to be politically correct are long gone, diplomatic pragmatism is what the EU needs and not some plan-less and dangerous approach.
Treverus' post was a typical example of just talking without knowing, what he's talking about (.... no I will not elaborate but it hit me with what ease people do that).
However, I can't really follow you, Lib, "what business did he have in Germany"?? What business does anybody have anywhere who's not "at home"? I don't believe you think everybody should spend his/her entire life in his/her "own" country?
And all these expats ranting about the Swiss .... it may not be physical but it's definitely unpleasant to hurtful.
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Old 20.12.2016, 16:09
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There are two points here.
The first point is "did the Russians interfere with the US election"; it is clear to me they did.

The second point is "was the interference a strong influence on Trump's election" No, I do not believe so.
If people are happy to vote someone into the world leadership role who thinks pussy grabbing is a normal social activity then they are probably immune to outside influences.
Trump is a knut , a liar , a complete arse - but he is also happy to play hardball - and I think he would make a hell of a better fist of sorting out Germany than the darling of the media Ang has.
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Nope. Not the form either. The only novelty for us is that they take place here.
You're right. I concur chump ()

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There are two points here.
The first point is "did the Russians interfere with the US election"; it is clear to me they did.
Elaborate please. Sounds very much like a conspiracy theory to me, but I'm interested.
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I don't know the program but will try to find it and watch it. I fear that a "reality" show designed for TV gives a distorted view of the muslim community in the UK. During casting the producers try to identify the extreme personalities to make sure that there is enough entertainment at the end.
I definitely wouldn't call it entertainment. It was quite contentious and difficult to watch in parts, but the programme had the backing of the Muslim Council of Great Britain. The main protagonist is obvious right from the start and it's scary how he thinks. He's already been in Belmarsh and I reckon he will end up back in there or in Syria.

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You're right. I concur chump ()
how could someone like Tom1234 know that we'd be chumps if only we "met".

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Elaborate please. Sounds very much like a conspiracy theory to me, but I'm interested.
Sorry, duty to remain silent. But deifinitely no conspiracy theory, LOL.
Just forget it .... been thinking out loud
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Old 20.12.2016, 16:27
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Re: Truck crashes into a Berlin Christmas market

Currently the German Police are saying that can't be sure that the guy they arrested actually did it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38379157
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Nope. Not the form either. The only novelty for us is that they take place here.
I don't understand this line of reasoning, does this suggest that we should somehow discount the severity or seriousness of the incident?



if a large tree falls in the wilderness, I could not possibly care less. if it falls on my home, that is a different matter. and, if my neighbor or I planted the tree, that is yet still a different matter.
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Old 20.12.2016, 16:36
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I don't understand this line of reasoning, does this suggest that we should somehow discount the severity or seriousness of the incident?
Not at all.

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if a large tree falls in the wilderness, I could not possibly care less. if it falls on my home, that is a different matter. and, if my neighbor or I planted the tree, that is yet still a different matter.
Exactly. I'm just waiting for the day, hunger strikes Europe (again) and the reaction here. After all, how dear any of these things happen to a superior .... us. (?!?)
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Not at all.


Exactly. I'm just waiting for the day, hunger strikes Europe (again) and the reaction here. After all, how dear any of these things happen to a superior .... us. (?!?)
here I am not sure if your 2 statements are intentionally or unintentionally inconsistent. I am also not sure what hunger has to do with acts or terror committed by invitees.
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Old 20.12.2016, 16:57
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Germany? Yes, almost every weekend
Keep up, we talk about Pakistan
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Nope. Not the form either. The only novelty for us is that they take place here.


Treverus' post was a typical example of just talking without knowing, what he's talking about (.... no I will not elaborate but it hit me with what ease people do that).
However, I can't really follow you, Lib, "what business did he have in Germany"?? What business does anybody have anywhere who's not "at home"? I don't believe you think everybody should spend his/her entire life in his/her "own" country?
And all these expats ranting about the Swiss .... it may not be physical but it's definitely unpleasant to hurtful.
Well, was he a tourist? an investor? and expat? No, he's an alcoholic sociopath and he can be all that in his own country. People like that have no business in Western Europe nor should we embrace such type of "cultural enrichment". If in terms of protecting myself and my family would mean to a limited movement of people from certain places, then so be it. I'm just trying to stay alive. I have no sympathy whatsoever for such people and would welcome a more stringent approach in order to preventing scum like that within our vicinity.
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Old 20.12.2016, 17:23
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here I am not sure if your 2 statements are intentionally or unintentionally inconsistent. I am also not sure what hunger has to do with acts or terror committed by invitees.
Her arguments tend to be a bit more curley than straight...
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Old 20.12.2016, 17:31
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I don't read any denial that the Pakistani suspect was a criminal known to interpol and been involved in sex crimes and petty theft :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ople-dead.html
Yeah, let's discuss a daily mail article full of badly translated content from die Welt, a bad enough paper on it's own...
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Her arguments tend to be a bit more curley than straight...
Absolutely correct. Just like world affairs.
Enough going on though no need to invent any more things by spreading assumptions.
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Old 20.12.2016, 17:37
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Well, was he a tourist? an investor? and expat? No, he's an alcoholic sociopath and he can be all that in his own country. People like that have no business in Western Europe nor should we embrace such type of "cultural enrichment". If in terms of protecting myself and my family would mean to a limited movement of people from certain places, then so be it. I'm just trying to stay alive. I have no sympathy whatsoever for such people and would welcome a more stringent approach in order to preventing scum like that within our vicinity.
The first three don't rule out the latter two ....
For the way to prevent such things I guess we'll have to agree on disagreeing.
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And in the meantime the Far Right- some further than others, are lapping it up- as it gives them the opportunity to continue to whip up hatred and division, and Islamophobia. As apparent right here on EF (where is Phos when you (don't) need him).

And Farage tops the leader board - and goes so beyond pail, attacking Jo Cox husband and balming Merkel for what happened- what a massive bar stewart he is:

https://app.newsdit.com/public/c8af4...2d55154c44a9f9
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And in the meantime the Far Right- some further than others, are lapping it up- as it gives them the opportunity to continue to whip up hatred and division, and Islamophobia. As apparent right here on EF (where is Phos when you (don't) need him).

And Farage tops the leader board - and goes so beyond pail, attacking Jo Cox husband and balming Merkel for what happened- what a massive bar stewart he is:

https://app.newsdit.com/public/c8af4...2d55154c44a9f9
1) Jo Cox's sex pest widower attacked Farage.
2) The point he made was true.
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Loz, I shall wear your 'groan' with pride- really. Won't demean myself by retaliating. Are you surprised Cox 'attacked' Farage?

As for the sex assaults by immigrants and refugees last year in Germany- we all know the truth now, don't we:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a6872566.html
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And in the meantime the Far Right- some further than others, are lapping it up- as it gives them the opportunity to continue to whip up hatred and division, and Islamophobia. As apparent right here on EF (where is Phos when you (don't) need him).

And Farage tops the leader board - and goes so beyond pail, attacking Jo Cox husband and balming Merkel for what happened- what a massive bar stewart he is:

https://app.newsdit.com/public/c8af4...2d55154c44a9f9
Let's not forget Trump's 'Clash of Civilisations' tweet last night, hours before any suspect was identified.

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