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Old 19.01.2017, 16:50
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Re: The pardon of Manning by Obama

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Where's the question?
name the countries where people like Ms. Manning got a medal.

Which senior officers did she approach ?
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Old 19.01.2017, 16:53
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Re: The pardon of Manning by Obama

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It's not about who's life is "worth" more. This guy was in the Army, and betrayed his fellow countrymen, the very people who it's his job to protect. This is one of the worst things you can do as a service man. The guy is a traitor.
So turning that round "I was only carrying out orders" should be a valid defense?

I think not.
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Old 19.01.2017, 17:02
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How many? I've been trying to find reports of anyone that was killed because of Manning's leaks, but so far I can only find testament (admittedly from 2013) that none were.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...aring-pentagon

It's a genuine question. I really don't know. How many were killed?

One author claims that Manning's leaks to Wikileaks was one of the catalyst for the Arab Spring.

Considering how it brought down a row of ME regimes, and rippled to what is Syria today, was it worth it?

https://www.amazon.com/Private-WikiL.../dp/1613740689
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Old 19.01.2017, 17:19
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It's a genuine question. I really don't know. How many were killed?
Hard to tell, it will a long time until Afghanistan & Iraq are safe enough for reporters to investigate and even longer to get western media attention.
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Old 19.01.2017, 17:36
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Re: The pardon of Manning by Obama

Question is if it is better to be a traitor to your country in the better interests of greater humanity or be a traitor to humanity and turn a blind eye.
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Old 19.01.2017, 18:16
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Question is if it is better to be a traitor to your country in the better interests of greater humanity or be a traitor to humanity and turn a blind eye.
Absolute no-brainer. I suspect the likes of Phos might disagree with me though.
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Old 19.01.2017, 18:26
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Absolute no-brainer. I suspect the likes of Phos might disagree with me though.
There I find it morally repulsive of you to try to answer on my behalf.
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Old 19.01.2017, 18:28
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There I find it morally repulsive of you to try to answer on my behalf.
Poor snowflake.
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Poor snowflake.
Cute attempt at turning "snowflake" around.
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There I find it morally repulsive of you to try to answer on my behalf.

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Cute attempt at turning "snowflake" around.
Indeed.
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Cute attempt at turning "snowflake" around.
You wouldn't be suggesting that only one group of people can use the term "snowflake" would you.

Only, you guys get pretty peed off that only black people can use the N-word.
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You wouldn't be suggesting that only one group of people can use the term "snowflake" would you.

Only, you guys get pretty peed off that only black people can use the N-word.
We guys? Go ahead and try to enjoy yourselves.
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Old 19.01.2017, 18:39
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We guys? Go ahead and try to enjoy yourselves.
I thought I could use the catch all "you guys" with you, since you know, being PC is a lefty disease, and you're not like that.

I'm enjoying myself, don't worry.
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Old 19.01.2017, 20:49
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Put some fire in it. Trolling may be all you'll have in the next four or more years.
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Old 19.01.2017, 20:58
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So turning that round "I was only carrying out orders" should be a valid defense?

I think not.
He wasn't turning on the gas at Auschwitz you know. His orders were to carry out intelligence analysis. But given his rank, I imagine he was simply a data entry monkey.

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Question is if it is better to be a traitor to your country in the better interests of greater humanity or be a traitor to humanity and turn a blind eye.
This would be relevant if there was a single example of how the interests of greater humanity have been bettered by this leak. The only thing that's changed is that the US has upped their security clearances so leaks like this will less likely occur.
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Old 19.01.2017, 22:51
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Re: The pardon of Manning by Obama

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WikiLeaks' Julian Assange 'ready to go to US' after Chelsea Manning release decision
http://news.sky.com/story/wikileaks-...ision-10734900
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Old 19.01.2017, 22:57
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Put some fire in it. Trolling may be all you'll have in the next four or more years.
Given the people Trump takes aim at, I am in no way in the firing line. I'm not even in America. I daresay I personally won't be affected in the slightest by the Donald...his inflationary policies will actually almost certainly benefit me financially, if anything.

This is the lesson you should be heeding here though. It's not all about me.
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