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Old 22.02.2017, 15:38
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So, refusing to give a prestigious, public platform to a man who believes, and i quote:

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That is merely 'Virtue signalling' and 'PC Patrolling' is it?
Its the same tactic Liberals employ for other things, except Milo crossed a line on a virtue that Conservatives cannot accept.

It use to be that the Conservatives acted like the moral Inquisitors, until the Liberals started employing it for their witch hunts. Same Inquisition, albeit for different political motivations.

Believe me, they are doing this for the safety of real victims. They are just exploiting it.
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Old 22.02.2017, 15:56
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We've all seen people cast into the abyss for far less. I doubt he could even get a gig on Celebrity Big Brother after this. If anything, I think he'll revert back to being an internet troll until he gets himself arrested. Do you see a way back for him? Honestly?
We should have a bet. Watch what happens.

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It amazes me the lengths certain right-wing people will go to, to defend their demagogues. The amount of bending-over-backwards would embarrass even the most prestigious of acrobatic circus performers.
It amazes me how certain people will seek to be offended and attempt to ruin someones career over something that they've merely said and that can so easily be misconstrued.
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Old 22.02.2017, 16:04
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Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)

It was offensive, hard to misconstrue and he resigned. Who is trying to ruin his career?
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Old 22.02.2017, 16:29
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It amazes me how certain people will seek to be offended and attempt to ruin someones career over something that they've merely said and that can so easily be misconstrued.
You try sitting a roomful of Alt-right together and informing them that they're all wrong about abortion, gun ownership and the death penalty, and it should be overhauled.

See how they squeal then...

Everyone has a line and everyone will react the same when it's crossed. Everyone.
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Who is trying to ruin his career?
Erm, the group that re-cut the recording and released it over a year after it was made.
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Old 22.02.2017, 17:01
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Erm, the group that re-cut the recording and released it over a year after it was made.

So you refer to the recording possibly being edited and that it was in the past. However Horowitz's documentary, that the Donald uses for his policy speeches about European tensions and what 'is happening last night' - where the Swedish (police) interviewees described the filmmaker as *a madman* (edited, in the past) - ssshhh. Beyond pathetic.
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So you refer to the recording possibly being edited and that it was in the past. However Horowitz's documentary, that the Donald uses for his policy speeches about European tensions and what 'is happening last night' - where the Swedish (police) interviewees described the filmmaker as *a madman* (edited, in the past) - ssshhh. Beyond pathetic.
What's one got to do with the other?
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Old 22.02.2017, 17:03
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Erm, the group that re-cut the recording and released it over a year after it was made.
Phos...weve sparred once or twice over the years, and your responses have, on occasion been very smart. So, i choose to believe that you are an intelligent man or woman.

Milo said, and supported the viewpoint, that pedophilia should only be considered wrong if the minor in question has not developed sexually.

This is exactly his wording:

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Pedophilia is not a sexual attraction to somebody 13-years-old who is sexually mature. Pedophilia is attraction to children who have not reached puberty. Pedophilia is attraction to people who don’t have functioning sex organs yet.
In other words, being under the age of consent but having begun puberty, Milo believes you are fair game for any man or woman that desires you, and it should not be considered pedophilia.

You do understand that children start puberty, in some cases, at the age of 11? I mean really, do you understand the connotations of what Milo is suggesting?


I know you are right wing, and all that jazz, but this is beyond a friendly online joust now. Do you seriously understand the implications of what Milo suggested?
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Old 22.02.2017, 17:05
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What's one got to do with the other?
I don't know you're just doof or obtuse, anyway.
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Old 22.02.2017, 17:27
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... except Milo crossed a line on a virtue that Conservatives cannot accept.
You make a decent point there, except the line that has been crossed is bipartisan and also a matter of law. What I don't understand is why you are willing to defend this guy in any way, shape or form when he's not American? If he wasn't alt-right, wouldn't you be baying for his blood and immediate deportation?
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We should have a bet. Watch what happens.
Perhaps. What do you envisage for his future? I'm mindful that his views will be even less well received in the UK.

Top and bottom...I'd never heard of the guy til a few weeks ago. I'm surprised he hit the self destruct so soon into his notoriety and it's a classic case of someone being given so much rope that they could only hang themself, metaphorically speaking. I hope he takes some time out to regroup, grow up and hopefully, mature. His life isn't over, but his public life as it was, is. He dropped the Wagner name, so he's the kind of person who can reinvent himself, but this baggage will stay with him. If it is a stitch up, they've done a damned good job of it.
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Old 22.02.2017, 18:35
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Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)

I disagree with the claim that it was a stitch up.

Nobody pressured him to say what he did. Nobody can be accused of entrapment. He said what he did because he is a shock jock, and that is what he does. It is unfortunate for him that what he said a year ago came back to bite him in the ass at the worst possible time, but he can blame no one other than himself. Had he been at least a little savvy, he would have realised than that even you believe certain things, you don't say them publicly. But he stopped being savvy when he became famous and his own complacency is to blame.

Personally, I never liked him or the fact he liked to piss people off for no tangible reason. If his career goes into the gutter and he ends up penniless and ignored, so much the better.

The chickens always come home to roost.
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Old 22.02.2017, 20:00
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In other words, being under the age of consent but having begun puberty, Milo believes you are fair game for any man or woman that desires you, and it should not be considered pedophilia.

You do understand that children start puberty, in some cases, at the age of 11? I mean really, do you understand the connotations of what Milo is suggesting?


I know you are right wing, and all that jazz, but this is beyond a friendly online joust now. Do you seriously understand the implications of what Milo suggested?
From my own view, I think it's one big grey area where there is no blanket law will ever be sufficient. Due to the sensitives over this topic, there are always going to be people who are deeply offended when it comes up for discussion. That however should prohibit people from discussing it.

The age of consent in the western world varies between 14 and 18. That's a hell of a gap. Who has it right? As an example, a British teacher ran away to France a few years ago with a 15 year old consenting pupil. According to UK law he's a paedophile. In my book, and in Germany and in Portugal, he's definitely not.

Milo's comments came as part of a wider conversation. As Phos alluded to, he discussed himself into saying this. It wasn't a prepared speech and it was based on his own experiences. Consent at puberty is not right, having the discussion is.
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Old 22.02.2017, 20:07
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Phos...weve sparred once or twice over the years, and your responses have, on occasion been very smart. So, i choose to believe that you are an intelligent man or woman.

Milo said, and supported the viewpoint, that pedophilia should only be considered wrong if the minor in question has not developed sexually.

This is exactly his wording:



In other words, being under the age of consent but having begun puberty, Milo believes you are fair game for any man or woman that desires you, and it should not be considered pedophilia.

You do understand that children start puberty, in some cases, at the age of 11? I mean really, do you understand the connotations of what Milo is suggesting?


I know you are right wing, and all that jazz, but this is beyond a friendly online joust now. Do you seriously understand the implications of what Milo suggested?
Milo has always had sick opinions, so this is nothing new to me. The issue was whether or not someone with whatever opinion should be allowed to express them.

It seemed he was referring to idea of age of consent, which varies from one country to another, from the age of 11 y.o. all the way up to 18 or 19 years old.

If anything, I never did look on Milo to be some thought leader, other than he exercised his right to speak.

Were you expecting something else from him?
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Old 23.02.2017, 00:27
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As an example, a British teacher ran away to France a few years ago with a 15 year old consenting pupil. According to UK law he's a paedophile. In my book, and in Germany and in Portugal, he's definitely not.
Wow!

Despite what you think, the law of the land says otherwise, and you'd do well to bare that in mind. If you wrote that on your facebook page, you could forget ever working with kids.

Trust me on this much, if a 31yr old married man, who also happened to be your 15yr old daughter's teacher, began a sexual relationship with her and left the country with her without your knowledge, you'd be the first person screaming that he's a paedophile.
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If anything, I never did look on Milo to be some thought leader, other than he exercised his right to speak.

Were you expecting something else from him?
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Oh my! I'm 99.99% certain that I am 100% cis-male. But I think I've developed a crush for Milo.
Homophobia in the Nelson Bar
Just had a look to see when Milo was first mentioned on EF, besides the brand name, etc... The first and second mentions of him were in your posts. As for the one above....
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Wow!

Despite what you think, the law of the land says otherwise, and you'd do well to bare that in mind. If you wrote that on your facebook page, you could forget ever working with kids.

Trust me on this much, if a 31yr old married man, who also happened to be your 15yr old daughter's teacher, began a sexual relationship with her and left the country with her without your knowledge, you'd be the first person screaming that he's a paedophile.
I never said that what happened was right - a student teacher consenting relationship however is a whole different matter to being branded a paedophile.
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Milo has always had sick opinions, so this is nothing new to me. The issue was whether or not someone with whatever opinion should be allowed to express them.

It seemed he was referring to idea of age of consent, which varies from one country to another, from the age of 11 y.o. all the way up to 18 or 19 years old.

If anything, I never did look on Milo to be some thought leader, other than he exercised his right to speak.

Were you expecting something else from him?
One might conclude, from the above, that you are attempting to convolute the issue, as it is becoming less and less supportable.

Exercising your right to free speech is one thing. Being no-platformed because of the content of your free speech is entirely different, and does not exclude the former.

Nobody is stopping him from saying what he wants. they just dont want to be associated with him or his hateful rhetoric. His rights to free speech have absolutely nothing to do with any of this.

His belief that sex with children is acceptable, on the other hand, is very relevant.
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I never said that what happened was right - a student teacher consenting relationship however is a whole different matter to being branded a paedophile.
Not as far as the law is concerned, when the student in question is 15 years of age and the jurisdiction is the UK.

Its really quite simple:
In the UK, diddling someone under the age of 16, when you are significantly older, is illegal.

I really dont know why that is up for this level of debate. The teacher did something illegal. He knew it was illegal before he did it, when he did it, and after he did it. he knew he would be branded a peadophile, and he did it anyway.

That's really all there is to it, i'm afraid.
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Old 23.02.2017, 09:27
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One might conclude, from the above, that you are attempting to convolute the issue, as it is becoming less and less supportable.

Exercising your right to free speech is one thing. Being no-platformed because of the content of your free speech is entirely different, and does not exclude the former.

Nobody is stopping him from saying what he wants. they just dont want to be associated with him or his hateful rhetoric. His rights to free speech have absolutely nothing to do with any of this.

His belief that sex with children is acceptable, on the other hand, is very relevant.

I actually, you are convoluting the issue. People are indeed trying to stop Milo from saying what he wants. You are also ascribing things to him that are not true.

This is common in debates from your side of the political spectrum. You are satisfied with half-truths and fabrications to try to make a point. And then what typically happens when you are no longer able to deal with the topic at hand, you attack the person instead f their ideas.

You'll see this same process over and over again, even on EF.
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I actually, you are convoluting the issue. People are indeed trying to stop Milo from saying what he wants. You are also ascribing things to him that are not true.

This is common in debates from your side of the political spectrum. You are satisfied with half-truths and fabrications to try to make a point. And then what typically happens when you are no longer able to deal with the topic at hand, you attack the person instead f their ideas.

You'll see this same process over and over again, even on EF.
Lol. I quoted the man directly, and in context.

Other than that, the above post is merely chaff that suggests you have little else to contribute to this topic.

I think we're done here.
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