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Old 01.07.2019, 17:36
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Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)

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So according to your arse, the country of provenance of the salute does indeed influence whether a prior but unconnected killing is right or wrong?

Good we’ve got that cleared up
You may not have noticed but there are no Ancient Romans left to salute each other; the gesture was adopted by a much newer and evil group.

Using this gesture is legally a hate crime in Switzerland, it is also banned in Slovakia, Germany, Austria and the Czech Republic. But do feel free to use this gesture and explain to the police you are a "born again" Ancient Roman.

Your defence may be weakened by the fact there is no evidence that the Ancient Romans actually used this gesture; no doubt you have the provenance you quoted?
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Old 01.07.2019, 18:04
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You may not have noticed but there are no Ancient Romans left to salute each other; the gesture was adopted by a much newer and evil group.

Using this gesture is legally a hate crime in Switzerland, it is also banned in Slovakia, Germany, Austria and the Czech Republic. But do feel free to use this gesture and explain to the police you are a "born again" Ancient Roman.

Your defence may be weakened by the fact there is no evidence that the Ancient Romans actually used this gesture; no doubt you have the provenance you quoted?
Firstly, nobody is denying the illegality of the gesture. Secondly, there are actually Roman military re-enactment groups who might have a legitimate reason to use the gesture. But thirdly, all that is neither here nor there because in many countries, including Germany, Switzerland, the Channel Islands and Norway, murder is also illegal. We are comparing two murders, one of a politician who expressed a very intolerant view , and one of a Cuban immigrant who did nothing wrong.

Why is it not okay to criticize the murder of a Cuban but okay to criticize the murder of a bigot?
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Old 01.07.2019, 18:12
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Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)

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Firstly, nobody is denying the illegality of the gesture. Secondly, there are actually Roman military re-enactment groups who might have a legitimate reason to use the gesture. But thirdly, all that is neither here nor there because in many countries, including Germany, Switzerland, the Channel Islands and Norway, murder is also illegal. We are comparing two murders, one of a politician who expressed a very intolerant view , and one of a Cuban immigrant who did nothing wrong.

Why is it not okay to criticize the murder of a Cuban but okay to criticize the murder of a bigot?
Cuban? WTF? A search of this thread fails to find "Cuban"?
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Old 01.07.2019, 18:49
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Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)

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Cuban? WTF? A search of this thread fails to find "Cuban"?
Nevertheless, he was Cuban. You could be excused for not knowing.

Does the fact that he was Cuban modify the acceptability of his murder ?

Do you think that if people say it does , that it would be fair to label them racists ?
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Old 02.07.2019, 00:13
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So according to your arse, the country of provenance of the salute does indeed influence whether a prior but unconnected killing is right or wrong?

Good we’ve got that cleared up
Did I write any of that? Did I? Really?

You are wrong on so many counts. You've made no reference to the Bellamy Salute and appear to have precious little knowledge as to the actual origins of the Nazi salute. 1981-1982 General Studies class essay assignment... 'Why do we have so little evidence of the Nazi salute originally being a Roman salute when we still have so much surviving art, statues and literature from the Roman era?' Swiftly followed by... 'Cultural symbolism and it's misappropriation in modern politics'.
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Old 02.07.2019, 06:48
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Did I write any of that? Did I? Really?

You are wrong on so many counts. You've made no reference to the Bellamy Salute and appear to have precious little knowledge as to the actual origins of the Nazi salute. 1981-1982 General Studies class essay assignment... 'Why do we have so little evidence of the Nazi salute originally being a Roman salute when we still have so much surviving art, statues and literature from the Roman era?' Swiftly followed by... 'Cultural symbolism and it's misappropriation in modern politics'.

Because this aspect is a red herring. An attempt to sidetrack the discussion on technicalities that don’t have any bearing on the actual incident.

Do any of those things genuinely justify a murder (that actually occurred prior to the salute incident)
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Old 02.07.2019, 07:37
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Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)

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Using this gesture is legally a hate crime in Switzerland,
No, it isn't.

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Old 02.07.2019, 09:15
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Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)

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No, it isn't.

Tom
Not a black and white case but definitely on the darker side of a grey area. Best not to do it, just in case...

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Use of this salute is illegal in modern Germany and Austria (Verbotsgesetz 1947), and is also considered a criminal offense in modern Poland,[3] Slovakia,[3] and Austria.[3] In Canada, the Czech Republic,[4] France, the Kingdom of the Netherlands, Sweden,[3] Switzerland, and Russia, displaying the salute is not in itself a criminal offence, but constitutes illegal hate speech if used for propagating Nazi ideology.[5][6][3]
However, as has been discussed in the thread already, you can get away with all sorts depending on the circumstances...
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Old 02.07.2019, 11:35
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Using this gesture is legally a hate crime in Switzerland
Not true.

The Hitlergruss is allowed as ordinary way of greeting. It's also legal to say one is a nazi. Even greeting non-nazis that way may be lawful. It is forbidden to use the Hitlergruss as a means to attract outsiders, to recruit, if you will, but not to state one's own position.

Say a group of nazis have a bbq in a public park. They greet each other with Heil Hitler, coupled with the Hitlergruss. That's perfectly legal accordring to the federal court.
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Old 05.07.2019, 11:06
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Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)

r/frenworld banned... well done, reddit !
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Old 05.07.2019, 15:01
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r/frenworld banned... well done, reddit !
Never heard of it, despite an outrageous amount of time spent on reddit.

What was it for?
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Never heard of it, despite an outrageous amount of time spent on reddit.

What was it for?
They re-enacted the Roman salute in the online forum format.
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Old 05.07.2019, 15:38
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Never heard of it, despite an outrageous amount of time spent on reddit.

What was it for?
Pepe memes
Nose-frens =jews
Racist subtext. White supremacist posts disguised as baby talk 'fren' nonsense

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Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)

I thought this was a spoof story, but apparently not

http://news.sky.com/story/tommy-robi...tence-11759351
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Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)

https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/0...the-alt-right/
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Old 13.09.2019, 12:26
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Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)

German Interior Minister Seehofer now classes right-wing extremism and right-wing terrorism as "as big a threat as Islam terrorism"!

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Good this is now in the open
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German Interior Minister Seehofer now classes right-wing extremism and right-wing terrorism as "as big a threat as Islam terrorism"!

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Good this is now in the open
what no! clearly the threat is antifa and sjws and postmodern neomarxist vegans....
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Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)

They're all mad Ted (Father Ted, https://youtu.be/6zkL91LzCMc)
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