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Guest 01.02.2017 10:47

Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)
 
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Originally Posted by Assassin (Post 2733641)
The term 'Nazi" stems from Germany's National Socialism.

For the real National Socialists, see below:

http://www.snp.org/

My2pups 01.02.2017 11:45

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Is that really what you think Gamergate is about? Respectfully, it is not. I would suggest you read this overview, and not what comes out of the MSM.

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Originally Posted by cyrus (Post 2733475)
Ugh, I would guess Gamergate when a load of little boys got upset a woman criticized their games as maybe being a little bit sexist, and totally proved they weren't by harrassing every woman who dared oppose them off the internet.


Sbrinz 01.02.2017 11:56

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Originally Posted by slammer (Post 2733660)
Woah guys, during the period between 1933 and 1945 everybody in Germany was a Nazi, incremental at first but soon every run of the mill generic German was a Nazi, there was no other way, you could not be anything else if you wanted a wage, health care, social services, basic needs and things that were suppled by the state. They were people just like you and I with all their weaknesses and strengths, fears and hopes...... edited the rest out

I am not very happy at all with that statement. It implies that all Germans were paid up members of the National Sozial Party, which was not the situation at all. Many decent people did not join the party.

30 years ago I was drinking with old "Nazi" men in Munich, people born before 1925. They were not at all right wing, I even went on holiday with them. In the army they had their blood group tattooed on their arms, but as they said, you either went along, agreed with the Nazis, or you spent some time in the "Dachau rest home" being indoctrinated.

In those days it was a bit like being a Republican or a Conservative party member today. Your neighbours can be extremely right wing, but you don't have to emulate them.

My2pups 01.02.2017 12:06

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I think what is rampant right now is hysteria from the Left... During Trump's first week, the rhetoric is astounding, going so far as to say that Trump is readying plans for a Coup. People need to take a deep breath and stop invoking Godwin's Law over every move made by the new administration.

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Originally Posted by Laurie (Post 2733553)
Well, the point is racism is rampant now...whatever you call it !


slammer 01.02.2017 12:21

Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)
 
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Originally Posted by Sbrinz (Post 2733728)
I am not very happy at all with that statement. It implies that all Germans were paid up members of the National Sozial Party, which was not the situation at all. Many decent people did not join the party.

30 years ago I was drinking with old "Nazi" men in Munich, people born before 1925. They were not at all right wing, I even went on holiday with them. In the army they had their blood group tattooed on their arms, but as they said, you either went along, agreed with the Nazis, or you spent some time in the "Dachau rest home" being indoctrinated.

In those days it was a bit like being a Republican or a Conservative party member today. Your neighbours can be extremely right wing, but you don't have to emulate them.

I did write about the run of the mill generic German, not "every" German. Of course there were various degrees of affiliation.
But anybody who was not a party member would be very suspect indeed, the system in place meant it was easier to be a nazi than not to be. It is interesting to note that after the war there were so many Germans who claimed that they were not nazis, never had been, hated Hitler. But most of those were lying to themselves. There was no other way, informers were everywhere, think of the informeller Mitarbeiter of the STASI, people who informed the authorities without even realising that they were doing wrong (according to our 21st century sensibilities) last winters badge from the “Winterhilfswerk” would put you on the watchlist of the authorities like last years Vignette on the windscreen of your car will in CH, little things like that. Grandma, up until the day she died hated the Nazis but loved Hitler, and all he stood for, is that hypocritical? No it was how things were perceived by a lot of people, we never had “Kaiserwetter” we had “Führerwetter” as kids for instance.

FrankZappa 01.02.2017 12:59

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Originally Posted by fduvall (Post 2733720)
Is that really what you think Gamergate is about? Respectfully, it is not. I would suggest you read this overview, and not what comes out of the MSM.

So instead we should prefer your link to a site created by white supremacist Theodore Beale that aspires to be more objective than Wikipedia, while simultaneously giving power to "corelords," corporate professionals who have purchased the ability to oversee the editing of pages related to their industry.

Here's the alt-right in action, folks!

st2lemans 01.02.2017 13:13

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Originally Posted by Blueangel (Post 2733471)
How can alt-right be atheist?

Why not? :confused:

Tom

cyrus 01.02.2017 13:25

Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)
 
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Originally Posted by fduvall (Post 2733720)
Is that really what you think Gamergate is about? Respectfully, it is not. I would suggest you read this overview, and not what comes out of the MSM.

Why do you all think everyone uses MSM? I read a lot of tech stuff and I'm well aware of what gamergate was, and it's not that whitewash of a page.

Blueangel 01.02.2017 13:27

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 2733794)
Why not? :confused:

Tom

Because you can't say that it is a prerequisite to this ideology. You can't be without belief to be part of a belief. It's not logical.

I'm atheist and that sure as hell doesn't make me alt-right. ;)

My2pups 01.02.2017 13:28

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If you believe that Wikipedia, Twitter, FB or even Google are in any way unbiased and giving you a balanced viewpoint, then I don't have much to say to you.

You don't have to read about Gamergate at the link I provided, to find that there is a lot more to the story than Zoe Quinn. WRT Wikipedia, have a look at the Edit History of the small# of Admins who have ultimate control.

Twitter... if you think the Ban-Stick at Ef is bad/arbitrary/personal, Twitter bans or suspends people whose opinions are not following The Narrative; with no appeals process. I prefer a place where I am able to see both sides of the story and not have it curated by politics.

And you are 100% wrong about the admins of Infogalactic. They do sell to Corporates, but it is not for nefarious purposes. Presently, there is 1 Corelord, and you are free to track his/her edit history.

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Originally Posted by FrankZappa (Post 2733789)
So instead we should prefer your link to a site created by white supremacist Theodore Beale that aspires to be more objective than Wikipedia, while simultaneously giving power to "corelords," corporate professionals who have purchased the ability to oversee the editing of pages related to their industry.

Here's the alt-right in action, folks!


My2pups 01.02.2017 13:33

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Your Reader's Digest summary of GG leads me to believe otherwise, IMO. That "whitewash of a page" is a place where one can find differing opinions (certainly not the only place). Since you tell me "that you read a lot of tech stuff" then I am surprised by your conclusion.

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Originally Posted by cyrus (Post 2733800)
Why do you all think everyone uses MSM? I read a lot of tech stuff and I'm well aware of what gamergate was, and it's not that whitewash of a page.


MusicChick 01.02.2017 13:45

Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)
 
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Originally Posted by Blueangel (Post 2733805)
Because you can't say that it is a prerequisite to this ideology. You can't be without belief to be part of a belief. It's not logical.

I'm atheist and that sure as hell doesn't make me alt-right. ;)

No. But you could be, as much as not.

God has nothing to do with political spectrum these days I think, despite the stats intepretation. I think to assume conservatives or right wingers are religious is probably as safe as to assume boy scouts of America are boys.

dodgyken 01.02.2017 13:46

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Aren't Muslim extremist right wing? :eek:

cyrus 01.02.2017 13:53

Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)
 
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Originally Posted by fduvall (Post 2733813)
Your Reader's Digest summary of GG leads me to believe otherwise, IMO. That "whitewash of a page" is a place where one can find differing opinions (certainly not the only place). Since you tell me "that you read a lot of tech stuff" then I am surprised by your conclusion.

Oh dear, just been looking at that infogalactic website. It's just takes wikipeadia pages and presents them as their own, rewriting all links internally!

https://infogalactic.com/info/Elephant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant

It then strategically replaces pages as it sees fit, giving the appearance of a complete wiki.

Let's see the article they replaced :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy

TobiasM 01.02.2017 13:55

Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)
 
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Originally Posted by dodgyken (Post 2733828)
Aren't Muslim extremist right wing? :eek:

Touché, exactly they hold similar opinions just from opposite sides of the fence.

The same way the Christian fundamental pro lifers are happy to kill a doctor for carrying out an abortion.

TobiasM 01.02.2017 14:08

Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)
 
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Originally Posted by fduvall (Post 2733736)
I think what is rampant right now is hysteria from the Left... During Trump's first week, the rhetoric is astounding, going so far as to say that Trump is readying plans for a Coup. People need to take a deep breath and stop invoking Godwin's Law over every move made by the new administration.

Well the point is that Trump is viewing race and religion as the primary threat to American jobs, culture and society, actually makes him a racist. The fact that his opinions are baseless and are only supported by bigots who share the same opinions is rather telling. Being racist is one thing if you are merely a business man, but its another thing entirely if you are the leader of the "free world" and your Country is made up of many cultures and races.

At this point his actions are very similar to those that lead to observations of Godwins Law (I hate that term its so ineffective and such an easy way to shake off what is actually happening) nevertheless its true.

dodgyken 01.02.2017 14:16

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https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...d72891e269.png

This should keep everyone motivated for a page or 2.

Serk 01.02.2017 14:33

Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)
 
A documentary recommendation relevant to the thread, BBC "Power of Nightmares: The Rise of the Politics of Fear"

Capo 01.02.2017 14:51

Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)
 
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Originally Posted by TobiasM (Post 2733606)
And that makes it acceptable?

I am not sure why you are all in denial that the Alt Right are anything other then Xenophobic, Homophobic bigots and if we were to compare them to anything it would be a dressed up Neo Nazi. I get that Trump might not be Alt Right, but Bannon definitely is.

Ask any white person who have been to a McDonalds in a black neighborhood of Chicago what racism is all about... :(

Xenophobic? Maybe... Homophobic? Wait, isn't one of the most prominent representatives of the alt-right a fag? :p


Guest 01.02.2017 15:23

Re: All about the alt-right (in the wake of anti-Muslim shooting)
 
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Originally Posted by Russkov (Post 2733320)
The latest shooting in Quebec City showed us yet again how dangerous the alt-right and white supremacist ideologies can be. Let's not forget that one of the worst mass shootings of the last decade had similar motivations. It's even a recently-highlighted issue affecting US law enforcement.

How dangerous are these people and their beliefs, especially in recent times when they've been emboldened by Trump?

Should the people who share these ideologies keep an eye out for radicalisation within their midst and apologise on their behalf?

Back to the OP. There have been less than a handful of incidents of right wing attacks in the last 5 years. No one has been "emboldened" by Trump. This is a non-issue.


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