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make sure you don't look like an American:
- only whisper when you talk. this is how loud the rest of the world talks
- don't wear Dockers
- don't use cell phone holsters
- in general, wear clothes in the right size
- if you want coffee, order espresso and not "LETTEEEE"
- practise to park your car in a slot for 1 car
Also, if you are going to wear a suit, don't wear an ill-fitted one. Get it tailored or altered to fit.
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Old 02.02.2017, 12:30
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Also, if you are going to wear a suit, don't wear an ill-fitted one. Get it tailored or altered to fit.
Unless you are looking for a job as Trump's Press Secretary
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Unless you are looking for a job as Trump's Press Secretary

That is one of my biggest disappointments about Trump. The man wears Brioni suits, and those easily surpass $10K or $20K each. But it looks as if some throws it on him without doing any measuring. What the hell is up with that?
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Unless you are looking for a job as Trump's Press Secretary
Or married to Theresa May.
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That is one of my biggest disappointments about Trump. The man wears Brioni suits, and those easily surpass $10K or $20K each. But it looks as if some throws it on him without doing any measuring. What the hell is up with that?
Some people look goo in anything and some people can't do anything to look good.
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Most Europeans that I know, especially Italians, are pro-Trump.

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well, that's understandable. Italian politics was a joke, but now, in comparison, looks notably moderate.
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If anyone starts asking I just say 'I don't want to talk about it'. Then I put my hands over my ears and go 'lalalalalalala' very loudly. Usually people leave me alone.
I feel there may be some similarity to the people who voted for the cheeto-hued buffoon in.

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not one European I know is pro Trump, not even one Italian. I think they are humoring you.
I believe he lives in Ticino. The armpit of Switzerland. wouldn't surprise me if they really did think so!

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That is one of my biggest disappointments about Trump. The man wears Brioni suits, and those easily surpass $10K or $20K each. But it looks as if some throws it on him without doing any measuring. What the hell is up with that?

Money only buys fabric, not style or class.
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Money only buys fabric, not style or class.
I also find that class and style usually find a inverse relationship to intelligence (money as well :P )
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I also find that class and style usually find a inverse relationship to intelligence (money as well :P )
So, just to clarify...you find that the less intelligence you have the more style and class you possess?

Its usually the contrary, in my experience.
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So, just to clarify...you find that the less intelligence you have the more style and class you possess?

Its usually the contrary, in my experience.
Doesn't it depend how you define style and class?

If for you having style means conforming to some common reference of what style is, that in itself implies average. Highly intelligent people often act differently from the average. This is interpreted by some as social ineptness or non conformism. And hence as lack of style.

But on the other hand, you could say intelligent people have a greater ability to observe, to understand, and to act in a dignified way. But this is also something that can also come from education and from growing up in the right environment and does not necessarily require an extremely high intelligence.

"having style" is often a way for the middle class to differentiate themselves from the working class. Doing subtle things that the others are not even aware that express who is part of it and who isn't. Only they don't see that the upper class has similar codes that exclude the middle class. Saying somebody has class can thus reflect that you associate with their social class.
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Doesn't it depend how you define style and class?

If for you having style means conforming to some common reference of what style is, that in itself implies average. Highly intelligent people often act differently from the average. This is interpreted by some as social ineptness or non conformism. And hence as lack of style.

But on the other hand, you could say intelligent people have a greater ability to observe, to understand, and to act in a dignified way. But this is also something that can also come from education and from growing up in the right environment and does not necessarily require an extremely high intelligence.
As evidenced by the cheeto-hued buffoon sitting in an oval office in Washington DC, you can do all of those things but still have very little intelligence.

Also, you can conform to fashion, not style. Style is individual and unique to each person, and you either have it or you don't. Fashion can be purchased with an Amex, and will help you achieve the common reference you refer to.
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Re: A dismayed American wondering how to process the embarrassing actions of the POTU

I think style and social class is also getting fuzzy..rich people wanting to appear modest, hobo fashion being so en vogue, travelling now happening only in dirty adventures and tree house hotels, etc. While not so rich people save up for lux holiday resorts so they could feel wealthy. It is all about personal definition and immunity to common trends, resilience to peer pressure. I find people writing their own code having their own style.They are also less likely to rush to attribute certain expected style to others. Nothing to do with cash or power.

Whether to judge a book by its cover...well, why?
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Money only buys fabric, not style or class.
Indeed.

It isn't the clothes per se, it is how you carry them. I know people who wear a boiler suit with more style than some people a tailored suit.
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So, just to clarify...you find that the less intelligence you have the more style and class you possess?

Its usually the contrary, in my experience.
Perhaps not a forward-reverse correlation--and of course subjective.


But I generally question the intelligence of those who are 'rich' in class and style, those who are unintelligent---I see no direct tread of style and class.
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Indeed.

It isn't the clothes per se, it is how you carry them. I know people who wear a boiler suit with more style than some people a tailored suit.
On the other hand, Kim Kardashian is a style icon for many.
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On the other hand, Kim Kardashian is a style icon for many.
Forgive an old fart's question: This Kardashian fellow, is he one of those cads who doesn't have a butler to remove the label from his sleeve? I've seen a few such people... bounders to a man!
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Perhaps not a forward-reverse correlation--and of course subjective.


But I generally question the intelligence of those who are 'rich' in class and style, those who are unintelligent---I see no direct tread of style and class.

I recall a marketing psychographic from some seminar:

Those who are at the top are motivated by the desire to differentiate themselves from the pack. Those below the top are motivated by the desire to emulate those at the top.

Trump never really needed to strive for social acceptance in NYC. He can say all kind of dumb things, and people still sought him out. So he never really needed to rely on charm and appeal, and has not refined them. Contrast with Obama who needed charm and appeal to advance.

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Re: A dismayed American wondering how to process the embarrassing actions of the POTU

I personally am a bit suspicious of those with 'charm' 'appeal' 'confidence' etc. etc.


With enough of those, you really don't need any authenticity, or develop any if you have those skills throughout life.


I see many examples with motivational speakers, life coaches, pyramid scheme success stories, attractive people in general. And the new generation who's resume includes "Aspiring model, actor, photographer, CEO of a cupcake store".


Of course disclaimer, it is subjective, and of course there are many instances where this is not true.
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I recall marketing a psychographic from some seminar:

Those who are at the top are motivated by the desire to differentiate themselves from the pack. Those below the top are motivated by the desire to emulate those at the top.

Trump never really needed to strive for social acceptance in NYC. He can say all kind of dumb things, and people still sought him out. So he never really needed to rely on charm and appeal, and has not refined them. Contrast with Obama who needed charm and appeal to advance.
And there iks the over-compensation thing.

Maybe for a black man to be electable he still needs to act whiter than white. A black man who talks and acts like a stereotypical black man probably wouldn't get elected. Even if he said exactly the same as Obama said, it's not just what you say but how you say it.

So basically Obama being elected was not a proof that racism and classism is overcome, but a proof that it still exists.

On the topic of gangsta rapping and break dancing presidents ...

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