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Old 24.03.2017, 12:35
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Instead of debatibng, we can experiment: any volunteers for standing outside a well visited mainstream mosque in Birmingham with a sign "There is no god" ?
Care to do that outside a well visited mainstream church in Birmingham, Alabama?
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Care to do that outside a well visited mainstream church in Birmingham, Alabama?
it would be a test if any of them can read?
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Old 24.03.2017, 12:39
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Instead of debatibng, we can experiment: any volunteers for standing outside a well visited mainstream mosque in Birmingham with a sign "There is no god" ?
If you want my honest opinion, I think you would get a few amateurish attempts at proselytizing from young, idealistic Muslims keen to debate you. However the overwhelming majority would just shuffle past. Its not exactly uncommon to be an atheist in Britain these days, most people are.
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Old 24.03.2017, 12:39
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I think we could learn a thing or two from the bravery of Phillip Schofield.

Phillip Schofield walks across Westminster Bridge ‘in tribute and defiance’ a day after terrifying terrorist attack in London
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I simply asked whether you thought Islam was in need of reform and when you replied you thought it didn't, I was just curious as how you came to your conclusion.

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Wouldn't it be reasonable to suggest that in modern Britain, a religion that advocates punishment for homosexuality (and the majority of it's followers seem to support the idea) is in need of reform?
I don't think you can actually edit a religion, can you?

The religious texts are there forever more.

I guess you can educate people that homosexuality isn't any of their business, or eating pork won't see you burn in a fiery hell or you can't actually transfer your sins to a chicken by swinging it around your head, and mass murdering those not in your religious team will most likely not result in your 12 virgins.
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Old 24.03.2017, 12:55
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If you want my honest opinion, I think you would get a few amateurish attempts at proselytizing from young, idealistic Muslims keen to debate you. However the overwhelming majority would just shuffle past. Its not exactly uncommon to be an atheist in Britain these days, most people are.
off you go then. Most people in Britain may be atheists, but it seems that Muslims in Britain don't fit this statistics.

Looking forward to your first hand report.
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Old 24.03.2017, 13:01
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I think we could learn a thing or two from the bravery of Phillip Schofield.
Hmn... "Bravery"? For walking along what was, as of this morning, probably the most secure bridge on the face of the earth?

I get the "We shall never surrender" bit, fair enough.

If you ask me, it probably took a lot more courage to go out wearing a Hijab this morning.
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Old 24.03.2017, 13:02
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off you go then. Most people in Britain may be atheists, but it seems that Muslims in Britain don't fit this statistics.
You win the Friday award for posting the bleeding obvious.

Don't you think it's pretty likely that someone describing themselves as a muslim is rather unlikely to be an athiest? Would be a bit like a christian athiest?
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Instead of debatibng, we can experiment: any volunteers for standing outside a well visited mainstream mosque in Birmingham with a sign "There is no god" ?
Birmingham, you say?


Been there, sort of done that. New Street is where all the political and religious proselytisers hang out: everyone from gobshite Muslims to African Israelites to Christadelphians to the Socialist Workers' Party. Back in the nineties, when I was on the dole, a group of friends and I used to take great pleasure in wandering down the street looking for people to wind up.


We enjoyed it immensely, and began a running mental spreadsheet of which religions were practised by tossers and which ones were ok, according to the responses we got.


The worst was a Roman Catholic woman who followed us screeching down the street, threatening us with all kinds of unpleasant consequences for our impertinence. The best were the Hari Krishnas, who gave us sweets and never stopped smiling.


The Muslims came somewhere in the middle. They weren't overtly hostile, although their body language was mildly threatening. One of them would dominate the conversation while his "brothers" would slowly form a circle around us. But they were never violent. Just full of shit.


So, yeah. I'd say that waving a sign in front of a typical Brummie mosque would result in a few sour looks, maybe a bit of intimidation from some of the more hotheaded youngsters, but mainly a lot of being ignored.


So, do tell us about your experiences in the city of Birmingham. Nice city, isn't it? Did you find the real ale pub in the Gas Street Basin?
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Old 24.03.2017, 14:15
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If it was "Muslims" who were the problem, rather than just "murderous nutters", the streets of Europe, from Galway to Adrianople, would be awash with blood.


But they're not. Every few months a handful of thugs go on a murderous rampage, then everything goes quiet for a bit. Vast swathes of the continent, populated by Muslims, have experienced no Islamist terrorism at all. When was the last Islamist terrorist attack in Birmingham, Bradford, Luton? They're full of Muslims, so shouldn't they already be at war?


I'm the first to agree that Islam has a predisposition to violence that goes all the way back to its founder (partly because it's as much a political ideology as a religion, but that's a whole different topic), but the fact remains that the overwhelming majority of Muslims are simply not interested in all that bollocks - nor will they ever be.


The days of Islam being a temporal power presenting an existential threat to Europe are long gone. Don't let some beardy brummie with a bad attitude kid you into thinking we're back at the gates of Vienna, because we're not - and I doubt we ever will be again.
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Very sad for all concerned who have sustained injury, but to have constant coverage on both BBC1 and ITV1 to me is only fuelling more fear which if this is due to terrorism, is exactly what they want.


Status Quo does not Sound very productive... if we know anything is that terrorists work religously day and night.


I would just hope that more people from the left would tackle this issue head first.
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Hmn... "Bravery"? For walking along what was, as of this morning, probably the most secure bridge on the face of the earth?

I get the "We shall never surrender" bit, fair enough.

If you ask me, it probably took a lot more courage to go out wearing a Hijab this morning.

I deeply agree with that, but i am also sure it took more courage to attack an officer.


@Belgiummum, you are providing a false comparison..... the IRA was openly criticized, and openly "persecuted".... but most importantly is that with islamic terrorism you cannot even try to point out the reason it keeps happening because you would be singled out and eaten alive by the media.
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I deeply agree with that, but i am also sure it took more courage to attack an officer.
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@Belgiummum, you are providing a false comparison..... the IRA was openly criticized, and openly "persecuted".... but most importantly is that with islamic terrorism you cannot even try to point out the reason it keeps happening because you would be singled out and eaten alive by the media.
I take it you weren't around much in the UK when the IRA was active on the mainland, then..?

Sorry, but now you are fully talking out of your arse.
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Old 24.03.2017, 15:09
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Hmn... "Bravery"? For walking along what was, as of this morning, probably the most secure bridge on the face of the earth?
I assumed Loz was being ironic and Schofield was being a drama llama.
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I deeply agree with that, but i am also sure it took more courage to attack an officer.
I wouldn't call that "courage".

One thing I would call courage is what all the armed plod displayed. Can you imagine the discipline it takes to evaluate the running crowds and identify the real threat before reacting?
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I wouldn't call that "courage".

One thing I would call courage is what all the armed plod displayed. Can you imagine the discipline it takes to evaluate the running crowds and identify the real threat before reacting?





I just tried to pull a Bill Maher.


In all seriousness, what i would call courage is a no hijab day, it would show that Muslim women are able to stand up against the ultra conservative part of Islam that helps perpetuate These Kinds of actions....


But we know why we will never see such empowering and refreshing movement take place.... even trying to organize such even would expose you to imminent threats.
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But we know why we will never see such empowering and refreshing movement take place.... even trying to organize such even would expose you to imminent threats.
Also, it would go against everything that British people believe about individual liberty.
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I don't think you can actually edit a religion, can you?

The religious texts are there forever more.

I guess you can educate people that homosexuality isn't any of their business, or eating pork won't see you burn in a fiery hell or you can't actually transfer your sins to a chicken by swinging it around your head, and mass murdering those not in your religious team will most likely not result in your 12 virgins.

Tell that to Marthin Luther.... Eitherway if i tried to educate them on any of those topics i would get dismissed by people like you(IF i am lucky enough, but most likely i would get called a racist under the chants of NOT ALL MUSLIMS!!! )

@Dougal your Statement is oxymoronic.
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@Dougal your Statement is oxymoronic.

You understand nothing about British culture, so why don't you stfu?
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