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Old 27.03.2017, 10:56
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Seems that the term 'fundamental' can be used and interpreted in very many ways.

I see no problem with 'fundamental' Islam if it means not eating pork, eating Halal meat, not drinking alchohol, dressing modestly, praying, fasting, and going on the Haj- etc. It just means that that person is a 'true and practising Muslim'.

And very different to the hard 'fundamentalism' mixed with political activism or other cultural factors, and distorted to be fed to vulnerable and often deranged people, that can and does lead to atrocities.

The two have little to do with each other- and the second condemned totally by the first as we have seen throughout the week-end.

But I'd agree with DB, that many religions have some pretty weird and medieval beliefs. Try and put pork in the fridge if you share with Orthodox Jews and see what happens - especially if in the wrong fridge. A friend of mine was A Pair in a Jewish family and decided to make bacon sarnies whilst they were away for the week-end ... but they had forgotten something and came back unexpectedly ... what happened next would take a book to write.

You have not answered yet- where did the Muslims come from with whom you had to share your Hostel with? Because their provenance will probably explain better what you perceived in them. Although all practising Muslims would not wish to share their fridge with alcohol or pork, to be fair. We stayed in a great Muslim B&B recently in Cape Town- and there was a request for no alcohol, pork or non-halal meat to be used in the kitchen. It was our choice to stay there- it was a fabulous place- so we just respected the requests (which were clear at the time of booking).
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Seems that the term 'fundamental' can be used and interpreted in very many ways.

I see no problem with 'fundamental' Islam if it means not eating pork, eating Halal meat, not drinking alchohol, dressing modestly, praying, fasting, and going on the Haj- etc. It just means that that person is a 'true and practising Muslim'.

And very different to the hard 'fundamentalism' mixed with political activism or other cultural factors, and distorted to be fed to vulnerable and often deranged people, that can and does lead to atrocities.

The two have little to do with each other- and the second condemned totally by the first as we have seen throughout the week-end.

But I'd agree with DB, that many religions have some pretty weird and medieval beliefs. Try and put pork in the fridge if you share with Orthodox Jews and see what happens - especially if in the wrong fridge. A friend of mine was A Pair in a Jewish family and decided to make bacon sarnies whilst they were away for the week-end ... but they had forgotten something and came back unexpectedly ... what happened next would take a book to write.
Anyone can have any kind of views: whimsical, moderate, fundamental, fanatic, extremist, or popping-a-vein-clutching-at-pearls-and-soiling-themselves, if they so wish.

Views are one thing, behaviour is another. Same goes for religion as it goes for stamp collecting and football.

I'd be perfectly happy living next door to a fanatic of anything so long as they don't try to involve me in any way, although with my levels of apathy - I'd wish the neighbour good luck trying...
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Re: Reports of shots outside UK Parliament

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Seems that the term 'fundamental' can be used and interpreted in very many ways.

I see no problem with 'fundamental' Islam if it means not eating pork, eating Halal meat, not drinking alchohol, dressing modestly, praying, fasting, and going on the Haj- etc. It just means that that person is a 'true and practising Muslim'.
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It depends which flag it is, who's flying it and why?

Most of the people i knew who flew the St.G Cross were questionable, in such that they were Skinheads.
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This is just you being a bigot. Something that you love so much to accuse others on here of being. Nice to have it in writing
But he's not. TobiasM is being objective rather than subjective, and even then, he's saying that these people were "questionable" rather than stating that they were definitely bigots.

If TobiasM was being subjective, then fine, you're accusation would hold some water.

Not all people who fly the SGC are bigots. Not all skinheads are bigots. Not all skinheads who fly the SGC are bigots, but the combination of those two factors makes the likelihood that they are higher than in the general population. Even so, it's not definitive.

What is definitive is that flying the SGC and being a skinhead are a matter of choice, so you could argue that these people are actively choosing to present themselves in such a fashion, which supports the assumption that they might be bigots.

Being a lifelong Spurs fan, having travelled all over the country watching them in the 70's and 80's, and knowing them to have one of the most diverse travelling fan bases at the time, we had a skinhead contingent, some of whom had SGC tattoos but were not bigots. They chose to present themselves as skinheads because they were into the music scene associated with it.
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Anyone can have any kind of views: whimsical, moderate, fundamental, fanatic, extremist, or popping-a-vein-clutching-at-pearls-and-soiling-themselves, if they so wish.

Views are one thing, behaviour is another. Same goes for religion as it goes for stamp collecting and football.

I'd be perfectly happy living next door to a fanatic of anything so long as they don't try to involve me in any way, although with my levels of apathy - I'd wish the neighbour good luck trying...

Same here- I have no religious belief whatsoever- but family, ex-colleagues, students and great friends who do, from many many Christian denominations which have huge differences and don't always see eye to eye (although here where I live the eucomenical (sp?) movement is very strong now, after the cruel segregation of the last century and more..., Indus, Buddists, Muslims and Sikhs- and we respect them all as they do us.

As for the Muslims among them, they are all 'fundamental' as they are true to their faith- but all of them are open and tolerant, and none of them 'fundamentalists'. Some of the women choose to wear head cover, especially the older ones who have done the Haj- others not. Entirely their choice.
Call it or label it whatever you want- but I'll respect and defend all of them for their choice of faith when their are attacked, especially by people who have a very narrow view and knowledge- linked to one very narrow and cultural limited interpretation. Nothing in the Koran forces women to wear a full Burka and hide their face, or not drive, etc- but the Saudis and parts of Pakistan.

Why should my Muslim friends and family in France, Switzerland, South Africa, Canada, Tasmania, Australia, the USA or the UK - be assimilated to them - probably by those with their own (poorly hidden) agenda?
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I love the way this thread has been abandoned to the kafir for the last several pages.

I think all our Muslim members have wised up to the nature of these kinds of threads...
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Those women did - today. Won't make the news or the Press but ...
the whole of Westminster Bridge was covered with Muslim women condemning the attacker and in respect of the victims.
Worth noting that the articles mention that the Muslim women who attended were in fact Ahmadiyya Muslims.

Aren't Ahmadiyya Muslims part of a peaceful branch of Islam who face persecution from other Muslims and are often branded as not true Muslims?
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Also, if there were no Muslims in Europe, we'd have no kebabs. So there's that, too.
The real thing is called shawarma though.
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The real thing is called shawarma though.
Nah. The real thing is called a "large donna wiv everyfing on it, mate, yeah?"
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Old 27.03.2017, 17:42
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Nah. The real thing is called a "large donna wiv everyfing on it, mate, yeah?"
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Re: Reports of shots outside UK Parliament

Just to be clear, being a "fundamentalist" is not only eating jalal, not touching pork, and not drinking alcohol these are not the only haram things.

Dont get me going again... there are tons more inconvenient things like refusing to shake hands with a women.
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Just to be clear, being a "fundamentalist" is not only eating jalal.
I'm pretty sure cannibalism is discouraged in Islam.
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How long were you going out with Large Donna?

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Why would the Union Flag (only Union Jack when it's on a ship) be offensive?
I know it's not exactly the right thread but I couldn't help myself. More capitulation from the Brits:

Bristol hospital bans staff from wearing Union flag

''Personally I find it offensive that someone is offended that much by the Union Jack''

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I know it's not exactly the right thread but I couldn't help myself. More capitulation from the Brits:

Bristol hospital bans staff from wearing Union flag

''Personally I find it offensive that someone is offended that much by the Union Jack''

Personalised touches on uniforms are forbidden in most contexts. The fact that it was the Union Jack is neither here nor there.
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I know it's not exactly the right thread but I couldn't help myself. More capitulation from the Brits:

Bristol hospital bans staff from wearing Union flag

''Personally I find it offensive that someone is offended that much by the Union Jack''

These stories are just clickbait to raise the dander of the easily offended. Tomorrow it'll be the predictable headline news in the Daily Fail along with a load of matching reader comments.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
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Personalised touches on uniforms are forbidden in most contexts. The fact that it was the Union Jack is neither here nor there.
Funny that they got told to remove them only after someone complained about them.

Doesn't that mean they also can't wear poppies on remembrance day?
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Funny that they got told to remove them only after someone complained about them.

Doesn't that mean they also can't wear poppies on remembrance day?
Depends if it's on the list of uniform additions. Our school, for example, would allow you to wear poppies from 1. Nov up to and including the 11th., and Blue Peter badges but any other kind of stuff wasn't allowed.
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Funny that they got told to remove them only after someone complained about them.

Doesn't that mean they also can't wear poppies on remembrance day?
I am sure there are exemption for that. At least in Switzerland you are officially allowed to wear the 1. August button.
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Funny that they got told to remove them only after someone complained about them.

Doesn't that mean they also can't wear poppies on remembrance day?
Probably. Nobody is stopping them wearing whatever they like on their own clothes, though.
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