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Completes first term but does not run for a second term 1 1.06%
Completes first term but fails to get re-elected 20 21.28%
Completes two terms 12 12.77%
Has a melt down and resigns 8 8.51%
Impeached 26 27.66%
Death (natural or otherwise - the guy is 70 years old and in a stressful job) 5 5.32%
No idea 3 3.19%
Could not care less 7 7.45%
Abducted by aliens 12 12.77%
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When I read comments and beliefs like this one, I truly want to cry.
Why, because a wake up call is so darn uncomfortable?

I don't know how omtastat meant it but even from my anti-Trump position he has a point.
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Alas, many, if not most, Americans feel this way.

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Quit spewing these nonsense and lies. Senility like Trump.
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Really?

I always thought stop whining came accross more like a ''Stop whining like a little bitch and suck it up princess. You lost''

Different strokes for different folks I guess...
If that came out of your mouth to someone after you'd set out a well thought factual argument in support of your position it might have some credibility. But when it is the first thing... nah it says I can't defend my position and I just want to try and shut you up!

Perhaps Irish politics is different, we expect people to have put a bit of thought into it and can explain their position... fail to do so and you have no credibility!
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The election of Trump is the best thing that could have happened for the USA
This could not be any further from the truth. It's easy to say stuff like this when you're half way across the world from the reality of it, but just make stuff up to sound like you know what you're talking about.

The people who voted for this guy are in turmoil at the moment, with "buyers remorse" left and center. The silence is deafening.
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The election of Trump is the best thing that could have happened for the USA
OK how so?

Let's take coal for instance, short of mandating the burning coal in power station, where is the market going to come from. No one is going to pay miners to dig coal if there is no market...

And then there is manufacturing which apparently is already hitting highs, but unfortunately is doing so throughout robotics. What is going to do, outlaw the use of robotics? Bottom line, what is the vision that will allow manufacturers to produce cheap stuff while offering good jobs?

Do you think allied intel chiefs are happily sharing their findings with a country who's commander in chief is likely to blab it out in a late night twitter rant??

Trump has kicked up a lot of dust, but as the dust settles all it is dust. The average joes and janes that voted for him are still waiting for a good solid example of him looking out for them!
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Re: How will Trump Presidency End?

I like all of the options in this poll.
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Re: How will Trump Presidency End?

Might I just pop in with a bit of American civics pedantry ?

Impeachment of a president does not mean removal from office.

Rather, impeachment is analgous to indictment. The US house of representatives votes to bring articles of impeachment against a president, meaning that a congressional majority votes that the president should stand trial for alleged crimes.

After impeachment a trial is then held in the senate. A 2/3 majority of the senators present is required to remove the president from office.

Only two presidents have been impeached, Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. Both were acquitted and remained in office.

The only president to resign was, as Eddie points out, Nixon. Articles of impeachment were passed in the House judiciary committee but had not yet been brought to a vote by the full house before he resigned.


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I fully agree with Eddie's assessment. As things stand now, impeachment is highly unlikely. Remember impeachment is a political process and the republicans hold the house and senate, the Trump populist movement essentially gave them this majority. In many states congressional representatives believe Trump is likely still needed to hold their seats in the midterms.

Those of you who remember Clinton's impeachment will remember how divisive that chapter was, how it stymied effective government for years, the toll it took. Our country was far less angry and broken then, today given our even starker divisions, growing extremism on both sides, the lack of a common understanding of 'facts'...

As much as I detest Trump, as much as I believe he is unfit to serve as president, as things stand today I do not want to see an attempt at impeachment. That would tear our country apart, with I fear violent consequences.

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No, Eddie has it right: We need to focus on strengthening our congresscritters' spines, on shoring up our system of checks and balances, to keep the worst of this administration reigned in.

So my fellow Americans - let's focus on reality. Read the constitution. Brush up on your civics. Get involved, work where you can at the grass roots level. Keep contacting your senators and representatives with your views.

And above all: Vote in the midterms!
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Re: How will Trump Presidency End?

I think that how Trump's presidency will play out is one of the most interesting questions of our time!

It's so very likely that something mad will happen, but who can say what?
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The some of the people who voted for this guy are in turmoil at the moment, with "buyers remorse" left and center. The silence is deafening.
And a vast number of people have just got on with their lives like nothing has changed - which for the vast majority of people is exactly what has happened.

People are still getting up each morning, eating their pancakes and bacon, going off to fix leaky pipes, mend cars, build furniture, re-roof a house etc etc etc without the need to send 18 tweets, 5 Facebook status updates and 4 pictures to Instagram.

For every person that has "elector's remorse" there is another who's views are reinforced by the incessant whining from the left. That's politics in the 21st century - it is the same with Brexit. Putting up, shutting up and getting on with life isn't well thought of by the chattering class on social media.
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Putting up, shutting up and getting on with life isn't well thought of by the chattering class on social media.
To be fair, grumbling disagreement isn't exactly a new invention, is it? The state of a society could be judged to be decidedly unhealthy if people weren't comfortable speaking out.

"Putting up and shutting up" might be the trendy go-to dismissal on this forum but it's a dangerous precedent in the real world.
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"Putting up and shutting up" might be the trendy go-to dismissal on this forum but it's a dangerous precedent in the real world.
There is a big difference between people "being comfortable speaking out" and people twittering on all day about something they can't change. Or should I say "could change had they actually put the effort in ahead of the vote".

We now have yet another thread on the badly coiffured orangutan; the American president one, not to be confused with the Grand Tour presenting one or the foreign office running one.

The biggest abomination of the 21st century is people now talk about politics in the pub and over the dinner table. What next? Religion????
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Re: How will Trump Presidency End?

I said something similar on the other thread, but here it goes: between the potential damage that Trump attempts to make on a daily basis, and the actual damage that Pence would certainly make, I'll take Trump any day.

Hoping for the best.
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There is a big difference between people "being comfortable speaking out" and people twittering on all day about something they can't change. Or should I say "could change had they actually put the effort in ahead of the vote".

We now have yet another thread on the badly coiffured orangutan; the American president one, not to be confused with the Grand Tour presenting one or the foreign office running one.

The biggest abomination of the 21st century is people now talk about politics in the pub and over the dinner table. What next? Religion????
Oh they've done it in the 20th century and from what I've been told even in the 19th .... with the daily Blick-paper neatly placed on the regulars table.

And some Forum threads are just the modern version of it
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Every time somebody bandies about the term impeachment, I hear the immortal words of Inigo Montoya from Princess Bride, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

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Might I just pop in with a bit of American civics pedantry ?

Impeachment of a president does not mean removal from office.

Rather, impeachment is analgous to indictment. The US house of representatives votes to bring articles of impeachment against a president, meaning that a congressional majority votes that the president should stand trial for alleged crimes.

After impeachment a trial is then held in the senate. A 2/3 majority of the senators present is required to remove the president from office.

Only two presidents have been impeached, Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. Both were acquitted and remained in office.

The only president to resign was, as Eddie points out, Nixon. Articles of impeachment were passed in the House judiciary committee but had not yet been brought to a vote by the full house before he resigned.


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I fully agree with Eddie's assessment. As things stand now, impeachment is highly unlikely. Remember impeachment is a political process and the republicans hold the house and senate, the Trump populist movement essentially gave them this majority. In many states congressional representatives believe Trump is likely still needed to hold their seats in the midterms.

Those of you who remember Clinton's impeachment will remember how divisive that chapter was, how it stymied effective government for years, the toll it took. Our country was far less angry and broken then, today given our even starker divisions, growing extremism on both sides, the lack of a common understanding of 'facts'...

As much as I detest Trump, as much as I believe he is unfit to serve as president, as things stand today I do not want to see an attempt at impeachment. That would tear our country apart, with I fear violent consequences.

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No, Eddie has it right: We need to focus on strengthening our congresscritters' spines, on shoring up our system of checks and balances, to keep the worst of this administration reigned in.

So my fellow Americans - let's focus on reality. Read the constitution. Brush up on your civics. Get involved, work where you can at the grass roots level. Keep contacting your senators and representatives with your views.

And above all: Vote in the midterms!
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I said something similar on the other thread, but here it goes: between the potential damage that Trump attempts to make on a daily basis, and the actual damage that Pence would certainly make, I'll take Trump any day.

Hoping for the best.
While I don't *expect* Trump to be impeached and Pence to take over, here's why I would be *relieved* if Pence were in the White House. There are certain things that other post-WWII Presidents would not have done, or would have considered. I don't think that holds for Trump. It wouldn't surprise me to read that he ordered a nuclear strike on Pyongyang tomorrow. I don't think that would happen if Pence were President.

Don't get me wrong. Pence is not only a staunch conservative, but a devout Christian. I certainly understand why LBGQ activists would prefer Trump to Spence. I just think that Spence would be bad in the way most Republican Presidents are. But I think he would be competent and not a wild cannon, so I will be better able to sleep at night.
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While I don't *expect* Trump to be impeached and Pence to take over, here's why I would be *relieved* if Pence were in the White House. There are certain things that other post-WWII Presidents would not have done, or would have considered. I don't think that holds for Trump. It wouldn't surprise me to read that he ordered a nuclear strike on Pyongyang tomorrow. I don't think that would happen if Pence were President.

Don't get me wrong. Pence is not only a staunch conservative, but a devout Christian. I certainly understand why LBGQ activists would prefer Trump to Spence. I just think that Spence would be bad in the way most Republican Presidents are. But I think he would be competent and not a wild cannon, so I will be better able to sleep at night.
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While I don't *expect* Trump to be impeached and Pence to take over, here's why I would be *relieved* if Pence were in the White House. There are certain things that other post-WWII Presidents would not have done, or would have considered. I don't think that holds for Trump. It wouldn't surprise me to read that he ordered a nuclear strike on Pyongyang tomorrow. I don't think that would happen if Pence were President.

Don't get me wrong. Pence is not only a staunch conservative, but a devout Christian. I certainly understand why LBGQ activists would prefer Trump to Spence. I just think that Spence would be bad in the way most Republican Presidents are. But I think he would be competent and not a wild cannon, so I will be better able to sleep at night.
Not sure I agree with this. I don't think anyone in the House or Senate or the CIA or the FBI or even at the Pentagon would indulge President Trump 's madness, were he to "order" a nuclear strike. The stakes are too high, the backlash would be unimaginable. I trust the U.S. institutions and checks/balances system.

Pence is not just a Republican and a devout Christian, he is a born-again evangelical Catholic (yes, it is a mouthful, but there is such a thing). All Pence does or will ever do, even in politics, is dependent on this. He said so himself - he is first a Christian, then a conservative, then a Republican.

I do not care what he personally believes, except he is in a position of power to actually influence legislation that goes against progress, negates legal rights to substantial portions of the population, and sets the clock back several decades. His beliefs actively infringe on the legal rights of others on things like control over one's body which should have nothing to do with him.

It goes beyond just LGBT activism, really. Remember, this is the country where 40% of people believe that the Genesis history of creation is infallible, literal truth. Until they believe that in their own corner of the world, fine by me. One of them as a VP with actual opportunities to do real damage scares the beejeebus out of me.

P.S. I could say I am a devout Christian too, by the way - not that it should matter at all, but sadly, for people like Pence who attempt to turn the USA into a theocracy, it matters.
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In answer to the OP: Messily. Or with a whimper.
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