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United Airlines

Just when you thought their reputation was severely hit by banning a couple of young girls from flying due to dress code!
They decided to jump a few steps further down by brutally dragging a passenger off a flight; he did nothing wrong. UA had overbooked the flight

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Re: United Airlines

It's absurd, they should offer progressively higher compensation if no one agrees to give up their place, it would work anyway and still be less expensive than removing the overbooking thing altogether (which would be the logical thing to do).
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It's absurd, they should offer progressively higher compensation if no one agrees to give up their place, it would work anyway and still be less expensive than removing the overbooking thing altogether (which would be the logical thing to do).
Cheapest option seems to be assaulting passengers with valid and paid tickets
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I guess they're wishing their clothed, hairless apes had tried that first.
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Old 11.04.2017, 10:30
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It's absurd, they should offer progressively higher compensation if no one agrees to give up their place, it would work anyway and still be less expensive than removing the overbooking thing altogether (which would be the logical thing to do).
They do already, that's standard protocol.
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Old 11.04.2017, 10:52
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Re: United Airlines

What I don't understand is that he was let on the plane again afterwards. If so, what was the point? I'm sure he has good grounds to proceed with criminal proceedings against the airline and security company.
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they could also offer the same as a paid service and call it "premium offboarding"
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What I don't understand is that he was let on the plane again afterwards. If so, what was the point? I'm sure he has good grounds to proceed with criminal proceedings against the airline and security company.
He was a doctor with a shift on arrival (AFAI can tell from the article).

An airline's ability to bump passengers has reduced as they run tighter schedules with less over capacity. Simply they just need to change their strategy so that once confirmed as overbooked - and prior to boarding - the offer an escalating payment for taking a different flight. (Some already do).

At some point someone will take what is offered.

In this case perhaps United were just being a bit too tight.
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Old 11.04.2017, 11:06
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They do already, that's standard protocol.
They did not go high enough clearly.
Market forces and all that... in the land of the free, land of Capitalism, etc

United offered USD 400 then upped this to USD 800 + accommodation
http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulli...ket-not-enough

Clearly, USD 1000 is the upper limit of the value they place on public relations per incident.

United Airlines Fight Club Class, anyone?
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Old 11.04.2017, 11:13
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He was a doctor with a shift on arrival (AFAI can tell from the article).

An airline's ability to bump passengers has reduced as they run tighter schedules with less over capacity. Simply they just need to change their strategy so that once confirmed as overbooked - and prior to boarding - the offer an escalating payment for taking a different flight. (Some already do).

At some point someone will take what is offered.

In this case perhaps United were just being a bit too tight.
It might also help to identify passengers at the booking stage, who are willing to be bumped. A simple checkbox of "Would you be willing to leave the flight voluntarily for monetary compensation?" would be pretty easy to implement.
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United Airlines Fight Club Class, anyone?
Forgot 1st and 2nd rule?
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What I don't understand is that he was let on the plane again afterwards. If so, what was the point? I'm sure he has good grounds to proceed with criminal proceedings against the airline and security company.
A woman (his wife?) followed him off the flight when he was dragged through the aisle, maybe he was allowed to take her seat and she got a later flight?
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He's very soon going to be a multimillionaire.

I wouldn't mind swapping places with him.
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Re: United Airlines

Guy sounded like a stuck pig when I just heard the audio.
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What I don't understand is that he was let on the plane again afterwards. If so, what was the point? I'm sure he has good grounds to proceed with criminal proceedings against the airline and security company.
The eyewitness accounts say he got back on confused with a bloodied face... this is quite frankly appalling that he could be removed so forcibly and then be allowed back on in such a state in full vie of other passengers.

He was also apparently a doctor on his way to his shift.

UA have a lot to answer for.
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Old 11.04.2017, 11:36
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It might also help to identify passengers at the booking stage, who are willing to be bumped. A simple checkbox of "Would you be willing to leave the flight voluntarily for monetary compensation?" would be pretty easy to implement.
They won't do that because it gives the passengers too long to think about the proposition and begin playing hardball.

Anyone whose been in the situation where compensation if offered, will know that it's an impulse decision, because other passengers usually clamour for the chance to get (for example) hard cash in exchange for a 2hr delay.
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The eyewitness accounts say he got back on confused with a bloodied face... this is quite frankly appalling that he could be removed so forcibly and then be allowed back on in such a state in full vie of other passengers.

He was also apparently a doctor on his way to his shift.

UA have a lot to answer for.
Now I've seen the footage of when he got back in. I hope they didn't actually let him fly in that state, he was clearly in an altered state, and having been unconscious before very likely had concussion. He needed to be in hospital.

This is also another great example of the difference between right (legal) and right (moral). The airline and the marshals may very well have had the legal right to do this but they are very much in the wrong. Scary thing is how scared people are to help the poor guy out other than verbal protest and recording.
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Re: United Airlines

A deplorable, disgusting and shameful affair. I fly on a regular basis to the US and as of a few years ago I stopped using any American carrier as the cheaper flight price does not justify in my mind the exceedingly poor in-flight service. As for internal flying in the US, the service is even worse.


I understand that the security officers that came on board to forcibly remove the poor doctor were not airline representatives, however, stewards or stewardesses with any basic human or professional moral integrity should have stepped in to stop this. On a human side because it was total overkill for a problem that was not of the passenger's making, on a professional level because surely in a split second they should have realised that this would tarnish their employer's image even further, especially when you see other passengers holding mobile phones in the air to capture the moment...you know that thanks to social media it will never be a case of "he said, she said".


One silver lining in all of this, as it is the great US of A, the doctor is sure to make a mint out if it all, by suing the airline, selling his story to the press, TV interviews, publication rights, film rights, T-shirts...


and good for him!
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Re: United Airlines

Can anybody honestly say they can imagine a similar scenario happening here? Can you see Securitas boarding a Swiss flight, bludgeoning a passenger and then dragging him off the plane by his feet because they need the seat??
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Now I've seen the footage of when he got back in. I hope they didn't actually let him fly in that state, he was clearly in an altered state, and having been unconscious before very likely had concussion. He needed to be in hospital.

This is also another great example of the difference between right (legal) and right (moral). The airline and the marshals may very well have had the legal right to do this but they are very much in the wrong. Scary thing is how scared people are to help the poor guy out other than verbal protest and recording.
Well if four large security officers are being aggressive, and the law is on their side, then I don't blame people for not getting physically involved. It would have been a shocking and distressing situation where trying to intervene could well have got people tasered or worse, as when a security ape's blood is up then they will respond on a base physical level until rational thought takes over again.

I really hope that UA get put through the wringer for this. Watching the video made me genuinely angry that someone could be treated like that in such a situation. If it was a drunk holidaymaker looking for a fight, ok, but an innocent man who has already boarded a flight he paid for who needs to be somewhere and then is dragged off like cattle? Absolute and utter disgrace.
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