Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #301  
Old 26.05.2017, 00:08
Blueangel's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 3,888
Groaned at 105 Times in 96 Posts
Thanked 10,610 Times in 4,679 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

Quote:
View Post
Doesn't matter how many are downloading terrorist propaganda or how many thousands are under surveillance, for the leftists they shall forever be a fringe minority.
You don't half chat shit.
Reply With Quote
  #302  
Old 26.05.2017, 00:10
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 9,638
Groaned at 409 Times in 353 Posts
Thanked 17,259 Times in 9,277 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

Quote:
View Post
Where?

Here's an article about the statement from Didsbury mosque and here is a video of it.

Where do they say they reported him to Prevent?
You seem to have an implicit assumption that the main stream media publish all the facts which is at best a naive view
Reply With Quote
  #303  
Old 26.05.2017, 01:15
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: -
Posts: 247
Groaned at 141 Times in 99 Posts
Thanked 2,085 Times in 996 Posts
kriss kross has earned some respectkriss kross has earned some respect
Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

Quote:
View Post
You don't half chat shit.
The other fallacy that gets pushed is that 'these extremists don't even know anything about Islam, they've probably never been in the mosque let alone read the Koran!'

Then some bloke like this comes along who apparently went about town in his Islamic dress, attended the mosque with his family (where his dad lead the prayers) and knew the Koran by heart.

Last edited by kriss kross; 26.05.2017 at 01:36.
Reply With Quote
  #304  
Old 26.05.2017, 01:42
Blueangel's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 3,888
Groaned at 105 Times in 96 Posts
Thanked 10,610 Times in 4,679 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

And I'll reiterate... You're chatting shit.

You're honestly saying that a main stream political persuasion is responsible for what happened on Monday night?
Reply With Quote
  #305  
Old 26.05.2017, 01:46
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: -
Posts: 247
Groaned at 141 Times in 99 Posts
Thanked 2,085 Times in 996 Posts
kriss kross has earned some respectkriss kross has earned some respect
Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

Quote:
View Post
And I'll reiterate... You're chatting shit.

You're honestly saying that a main stream political persuasion is responsible for what happened on Monday night?
I think a supremacist religion with violent scriptures are responsible for what happened.

Combine it with a fear to discuss the problem and voilà.
Reply With Quote
  #306  
Old 26.05.2017, 01:57
Blueangel's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 3,888
Groaned at 105 Times in 96 Posts
Thanked 10,610 Times in 4,679 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

There's no fear to discuss the problem and tackle it. I would say, however, that your view of the issue is simplistic and somehwat naive. The Christian equivalent of your evaluation would be that Leviticus was responsible for slavery.
Reply With Quote
  #307  
Old 26.05.2017, 02:01
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: -
Posts: 247
Groaned at 141 Times in 99 Posts
Thanked 2,085 Times in 996 Posts
kriss kross has earned some respectkriss kross has earned some respect
Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

Quote:
View Post
There's no fear to discuss the problem and tackle it. I would say, however, that your view of the issue is simplistic and somehwat naive. The Christian equivalent of your evaluation would be that Leviticus was responsible for slavery.
And when there's a billion Christians who follow the old testament, believe it was the direct word of God and let it dictate their lives then i'll also be concerned.

But it's a false equivalency and it's getting tiring.
Reply With Quote
  #308  
Old 26.05.2017, 02:32
Blueangel's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 3,888
Groaned at 105 Times in 96 Posts
Thanked 10,610 Times in 4,679 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

Quote:
View Post
But it's a false equivalency and it's getting tiring.
What's getting tiring is assumptions without facts and perspective.

How's this for a juxtaposition...
I've spent much of this afternoon and evening talking on the phone to friends my home town. The police cordoned off a few streets half a mile from where my UK house is. Friends were evacuated. The cordon went across the end of my elderly aunt's cul-de-sac but she was in the 'safe zone' and the bomb squad were sent in. Everything's gone back to normal now, and apparently, quite a few people turned out with beers to watch the goings on, and my sleepy home town ended up on the 10 O'clock national tv news. The only upsetting news is that my godson's friend was at the gig on Monday night. She's shaken, but otherwise ok.

Then we phoned my mother-in-outlaw in Athens and her first words were... "Have you heard about the bombing?" Not the Manchester bombing, but the letter bomb in Athens city centre today which targetted the former PM. Nothing at all to do with Islam or Daesh.

The vast majority of our immediate family live in Athens, Manchester or Wigan, plus 3 in London. The vast majority of our family and friends have been within a few miles of a terrorist attack or bomb squad evacuation within the last 72hrs.

The difference between us is that you only see Daesh.
Reply With Quote
  #309  
Old 26.05.2017, 02:37
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: -
Posts: 247
Groaned at 141 Times in 99 Posts
Thanked 2,085 Times in 996 Posts
kriss kross has earned some respectkriss kross has earned some respect
Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

Quote:
View Post
What's getting tiring is assumptions without facts and perspective.

How's this for a juxtaposition...
I've spent much of this afternoon and evening talking on the phone to friends my home town. The police cordoned off a few streets half a mile from where my UK house is. Friends were evacuated. The cordon went across the end of my elderly aunt's cul-de-sac but she was in the 'safe zone' and the bomb squad were sent in. Everything's gone back to normal now, and apparently, quite a few people turned out with beers to watch the goings on, and my sleepy home town ended up on the 10 O'clock national tv news. The only upsetting news is that my godson's friend was at the gig on Monday night. She's shaken, but otherwise ok.

Then we phoned my mother-in-outlaw in Athens and her first words were... "Have you heard about the bombing?" Not the Manchester bombing, but the letter bomb in Athens city centre today which targetted the former PM. Nothing at all to do with Islam or Daesh.

The vast majority of our immediate family live in Athens, Manchester or Wigan, plus 3 in London. The vast majority of our family and friends have been within a few miles of a terrorist attack or bomb squad evacuation within the last 72hrs.

The difference between us is that you only see Daesh.
Oh wow, some anecdotal stories of you and your family.

I see Islamic fundamentalism and the problems it's wreaking across Europe.

Name and shame the issue.
Reply With Quote
  #310  
Old 26.05.2017, 02:46
Blueangel's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 3,888
Groaned at 105 Times in 96 Posts
Thanked 10,610 Times in 4,679 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

Quote:
View Post
Oh wow, some anecdotal stories of you and your family.
Are you saying that the news is anecdotal? Hmmm...

http://www.itv.com/news/2017-05-25/p...roperty-wigan/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7756326.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...thens-bombing/

Quote:
View Post
I see Islamic fundamentalism and the problems it's wreaking across Europe.

Name and shame the issue.
I will do seeing as you're incapable of doing so. It's an even more extreme version, an abberation of Wahhabism, which is distasteful enough as it is. It's the snivelling gits like Trump and May lining their pockets with Saudi money to prop up our economies.
Reply With Quote
  #311  
Old 26.05.2017, 03:36
manwithnoname's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Basel
Posts: 466
Groaned at 66 Times in 46 Posts
Thanked 1,209 Times in 484 Posts
manwithnoname has a reputation beyond reputemanwithnoname has a reputation beyond reputemanwithnoname has a reputation beyond reputemanwithnoname has a reputation beyond reputemanwithnoname has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

Quote:
View Post
What's getting tiring is assumptions without facts and perspective.

How's this for a juxtaposition...
I've spent much of this afternoon and evening talking on the phone to friends my home town. The police cordoned off a few streets half a mile from where my UK house is. Friends were evacuated. The cordon went across the end of my elderly aunt's cul-de-sac but she was in the 'safe zone' and the bomb squad were sent in. Everything's gone back to normal now, and apparently, quite a few people turned out with beers to watch the goings on, and my sleepy home town ended up on the 10 O'clock national tv news. The only upsetting news is that my godson's friend was at the gig on Monday night. She's shaken, but otherwise ok.

Then we phoned my mother-in-outlaw in Athens and her first words were... "Have you heard about the bombing?" Not the Manchester bombing, but the letter bomb in Athens city centre today which targetted the former PM. Nothing at all to do with Islam or Daesh.

The vast majority of our immediate family live in Athens, Manchester or Wigan, plus 3 in London. The vast majority of our family and friends have been within a few miles of a terrorist attack or bomb squad evacuation within the last 72hrs.

The difference between us is that you only see Daesh.
havent you ever noticed how it's exclusively people like you that come up with some useless stories about your mum or her dog? gives away the limited view. talk about perspective... honestly, what are you trying to prove? how do you expect others to react to this? what is your argument even?

then you give two links on the same thing that kinda implies that shit is indeed a bit more scary than just some poor chap deciding to blow up a bunch of people. it happens to be your hometown. so what. besides, judging from your stories about wigan kisses or some shit, it sounds like a place full of tough guys. no pity points necessary, surely.

the greek thing? half assed assassination attempt on a politician. and you fear for your greek familiy immediately? how is it relevant?

point is the nonstop false equivalencies, comparing islamic (extremism) problems to relatively smalltime cherrypicked shit from sometimes millennia ago.

you are free to fight shit you think is a problem, of course. important as well, same way its good people work on rare diseases. although personally im more interested in solving the biggest and most immediate threat. it is tiring that when you talk about cancer someone is constantly shouting and shaming that we should talk about some annoying rash instead.
Reply With Quote
  #312  
Old 26.05.2017, 07:57
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

Quote:
View Post
Can't wait for Kay Burley to report that seeing as she's a Wigan girl.
Sadness in his eyes.

Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #313  
Old 26.05.2017, 12:35
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: -
Posts: 247
Groaned at 141 Times in 99 Posts
Thanked 2,085 Times in 996 Posts
kriss kross has earned some respectkriss kross has earned some respect
Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

Quote:
View Post
I think a supremacist religion with violent scriptures are responsible for what happened.
Maybe I was wrong
Attached Thumbnails
explosion-manchester-arena-img_7193.jpg  
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank kriss kross for this useful post:
  #314  
Old 26.05.2017, 12:35
Blueangel's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 3,888
Groaned at 105 Times in 96 Posts
Thanked 10,610 Times in 4,679 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

Quote:
View Post
then you give two links on the same thing that kinda implies that shit is indeed a bit more scary than just some poor chap deciding to blow up a bunch of people. it happens to be your hometown. so what. besides, judging from your stories about wigan kisses or some shit, it sounds like a place full of tough guys. no pity points necessary, surely.
I want nothing from you, and I wouldn't give you the steam off my piss. You dismiss everything as anecdotal. To you, history must surely be anecdotal? And the ultimate anecdote is religion. Zero empirical evidence for any of that.

The title of this thread is Explosion at Manchester Arena. I refuse to be shouteddown because I don't share the vile, narrow minded views of you and your ilk. I refuse to follow you in this agenda to divert every debate to the 'evils of Islam'. You and your ilk already have several threads that you've turned into cesspools.


Quote:
View Post
you are free to fight shit you think is a problem, of course. important as well, same way its good people work on rare diseases. although personally im more interested in solving the biggest and most immediate threat. it is tiring that when you talk about cancer someone is constantly shouting and shaming that we should talk about some annoying rash instead.
For 3,000 we've been 'treating' terrorism. You can be part of the problem or part of the solution. You're choice. But remember this... of the two of us, you're the one who's scared. I'm not.


For any of my fellow Brits, even those who loathe Andrew Marr, did anyone else see 'This Week' last night? Sajjan Gohel was really, really interesting.

https://twitter.com/bbcthisweek/stat...79822378258432
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post:
This user groans at Blueangel for this post:
  #315  
Old 26.05.2017, 12:43
Castro's Avatar
à la mod
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Basel-Land of Smiles
Posts: 5,345
Groaned at 108 Times in 86 Posts
Thanked 15,784 Times in 5,057 Posts
Castro has a reputation beyond reputeCastro has a reputation beyond reputeCastro has a reputation beyond reputeCastro has a reputation beyond reputeCastro has a reputation beyond reputeCastro has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

Quote:
View Post
I think a supremacist religion with violent scriptures are responsible for what happened
The obvious question is why aren't we seeing thousands of attacks a year then? Its in their book, blow up the infidels
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Castro for this useful post:
  #316  
Old 26.05.2017, 12:52
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 9,638
Groaned at 409 Times in 353 Posts
Thanked 17,259 Times in 9,277 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

Quote:
View Post
havent you ever noticed how it's exclusively people like you that come up with some useless stories about your mum or her dog? gives away the limited view. talk about perspective... honestly, what are you trying to prove? how do you expect others to react to this? what is your argument even?

then you give two links on the same thing that kinda implies that shit is indeed a bit more scary than just some poor chap deciding to blow up a bunch of people. it happens to be your hometown. so what. besides, judging from your stories about wigan kisses or some shit, it sounds like a place full of tough guys. no pity points necessary, surely.

the greek thing? half assed assassination attempt on a politician. and you fear for your greek familiy immediately? how is it relevant?

point is the nonstop false equivalencies, comparing islamic (extremism) problems to relatively smalltime cherrypicked shit from sometimes millennia ago.

you are free to fight shit you think is a problem, of course. important as well, same way its good people work on rare diseases. although personally im more interested in solving the biggest and most immediate threat. it is tiring that when you talk about cancer someone is constantly shouting and shaming that we should talk about some annoying rash instead.
"im more interested in solving the biggest and most immediate threat" does this mean you will propose a credible and viable solution or simply continue ranting about a quarter of the world's population?
Reply With Quote
  #317  
Old 26.05.2017, 12:58
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 9,638
Groaned at 409 Times in 353 Posts
Thanked 17,259 Times in 9,277 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

Quote:
View Post
The obvious question is why aren't we seeing thousands of attacks a year then? Its in their book, blow up the infidels
Because 99.9999% of them have a better educated understanding of their religion so do not take verses out of context and then spin them to try to justify murders.
Unlike some uneducated people here who quote out of context
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank marton for this useful post:
  #318  
Old 26.05.2017, 13:11
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: -
Posts: 247
Groaned at 141 Times in 99 Posts
Thanked 2,085 Times in 996 Posts
kriss kross has earned some respectkriss kross has earned some respect
Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

Quote:
View Post
The obvious question is why aren't we seeing thousands of attacks a year then? Its in their book, blow up the infidels
I'm guessing a lot of people just wouldn't have the stones for it. You'd have to be pretty committed to give your life for the cause.

Most Muslims probably just want to live a normal life with their families and ignore the violent and supremacist tendencies in Islam.
Reply With Quote
  #319  
Old 26.05.2017, 13:15
pilatus1's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Milky Way
Posts: 1,687
Groaned at 142 Times in 98 Posts
Thanked 4,530 Times in 1,800 Posts
pilatus1 has a reputation beyond reputepilatus1 has a reputation beyond reputepilatus1 has a reputation beyond reputepilatus1 has a reputation beyond reputepilatus1 has a reputation beyond reputepilatus1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

Quote:
View Post
Because 99.9999% of them have a better educated understanding of their religion so do not take verses out of context and then spin them to try to justify murders.
ahem..


http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/...-extremism-10/

Quote:
View Post
Unlike some uneducated people here who quote out of context
The irony!
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank pilatus1 for this useful post:
  #320  
Old 26.05.2017, 13:23
parnell's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Geroldswil
Posts: 513
Groaned at 186 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 1,767 Times in 872 Posts
parnell has a reputation beyond reputeparnell has a reputation beyond reputeparnell has a reputation beyond reputeparnell has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

Quote:
View Post
The obvious question is why aren't we seeing thousands of attacks a year then? Its in their book, blow up the infidels
Google "Isis" , read whats going on in Pakistan at the last election - FFS 15 coptic Christians have been murdered today in Egypt , Indonesia, Bangladesh and a decent part of North Africa are madhouses as well. The nonsense that violent Islam is a very tiny minority when is just not consistent with fact. This doubly so when those committing these atrocities hail from exactly those communities.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
One Dead After Explosion At German Restaurant Blueangel International affairs/politics 160 29.07.2016 12:09
Explosion at Novartis Village Idiot Swiss politics/news 4 03.04.2014 23:56
Explosion at Marcoule Nuclear reactor in South France, fear of leakage Mowvich International affairs/politics 22 21.09.2011 09:04
Faithless at Arena Geneva, 18.03.2011 Starbug Concerts 7 21.03.2011 18:25
Basel: Used Bicycle sale at St. Marg Arena? Biblioteca Transportation/driving 1 04.09.2008 12:40


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 22:31.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0