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Well I'd rather live in a country where I knew it was safe to send my kid to a concert and know that she will come back in one piece, but hey each to their own.
Wouldn't we all. However lumping everybody from one religion, in with a group of violent extremists doesn't help in the slightest either. As has been discussed ad infintum on every news, web, chat, blog, etc. etc.

Back on topic, its a tradgedy for everyone involved, and its really sad that nowadays we do actually have to consider the potential of such attacks when attending any public event, whether that be a random incident of a loony or a terrorist attack by a loony. They are all mad.
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Old 23.05.2017, 13:37
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Did you miss the MOST part ?
Nope, its still dumbing down terrorism, regardless of the severity.

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ye, ye ok, you knew what I meant.
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Old 23.05.2017, 13:39
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many of the IRA's bombs where just big fireworks, I was in the building next door to one of their bombs when it went off years ago, first we knew of it was when the police evacuated us, just a big black mark up the front of the doorway, designed to get headlines and piss people off more then anything.
And many were not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._peace_process

Arndale Centre in Manchester being evacuated at the moment.
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Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

Police chief warns that there will probably be more attacks.

Arndale centre has been re-opened.

Latest news, 22 dead plus the bomber, and 59 injured are being treated in 6 hospitals.

A 23 year old man has been arrested in connection with the bombing.

Police issue emergency number for people worried about friends and relatives, 0044 856 9400
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Old 23.05.2017, 13:49
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Bomber named as Andy Burnham, who was a known extremist.

Police chief warns that there will probably be more attacks.
The mayor of Manchester?
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Old 23.05.2017, 13:50
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Bomber named as Andy Burnham
You mean the Mayor of Manchester is Andy Burnham?

Too slow...
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Re: Explosion at Manchester Arena

Truth is this will keep on happening for the foreseeable future. Whatever the causes, and they are many, none of them could be sorted out with a magical wand in the short-term. Hence, the solution is Israeli-style security check-points all over the place and in the meantime, honest efforts to integrate those vast populations of disenfranchised muslims.

I really appreciate what Sadiq Khan said "... terror attacks are “part and parcel of living in a big city..."
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Just some of the statements this morning in the wake of this terrible attack.



Human Appeal, Britain’s leading Muslim charity, has launched an appeal to raise money for the victims of the Manchester attack and their families
Muslims for Manchester was launched on Tuesday morning by the charity, which is based in the city.



Othman Moqbel, Human Appeal’s chief executive, said: “As a Muslim, as a Mancunian and as a father, I want the victims and their families of Monday night’s attack to know that my prayers, the prayers of everyone at Human Appeal and the prayers of Manchester’s Muslim community, are with them. Although the details are currently unclear, this appears to be a despicable and abhorrent attack targeting innocent members of our community.
“Manchester’s Muslim community stands united with everyone in the city … Once again my prayers and love go to the victims, their families and this great city.”


Jonathan Arkush, the president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, said: “Our thoughts and prayers go out to all those caught up in the Manchester Arena attack at the Ariana Grande concert last night. This savage attack on young people will require a response, but we will not hand victory to the attacker by allowing ourselves to become divided. The response by people of all communities in Manchester, offering shelter and transport to each other, shows our society’s resilience, and that terrorism will not win.”



The attack was incomprehensible, said Gershon Silins, the rabbi for the Manchester Liberal Jewish Community.

“It doesn’t make sense to many of us that such an atrocity could be carried out at a concert attended by children and young teenagers. A place usually filled with joy and excitement. And as we wake up today to the news that dozens upon dozens of young lives have been prematurely lost and many more changed significantly, the horror of the situation is incomprehensible. For so many families, today is just the beginning of mourning for lives lost, or a new reality of family members irrevocably damaged.
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The mayor of Manchester?
BBC banner on TV, bad reporting, sorry it can happen.

Police say they think they know who the attacker was, and another 23 year old has been arrested.
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Hence, the solution is Israeli-style security check-points all over the place and in the meantime, honest efforts to integrate those vast populations of disenfranchised muslims.
While they're working on integrating the vast populations of disenfranchised Muslims (generations) perhaps they should consider severely limiting immigration from Muslim-majority countries to stop compounding the problem?
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Old 23.05.2017, 14:06
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Well. This is nice. Overall, I believe that humanity is generally good rather than evil. And in the wake of such events, this is proven again and again, and it is something to acknowledge, appreciate and even maybe be a little proud of.

However, there is no denying that the last years have further divided societies that were already divided to begin with, cause despite the ideal of a happy, united world where we all hold hands and dance on rainbows, the reality is far different. Look at what's happening in word politics right now (for the umpteenth time, mind you), and then all claims of "continuing to stand united" kind of go out the window.

Through all the idealism and the much good that is in the world, we also need to be able to address the bad, explain it, understand it, and eventually try to contain it, even if it's unpleasant and even if it forces us to face issues no one really wants to face. And btw, I'm not saying I know how to do that - clearly I do not.
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While they're working on integrating the vast populations of disenfranchised Muslims (generations) perhaps they should consider severely limiting immigration from Muslim-majority countries?
It's a religion , anyone from anywhere is free to be a Muslim ffs
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Old 23.05.2017, 14:07
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BBC news: Emergency number for enquiries is 0044 161 856 9400 The number of casualties is around 59 with 19 confirmed deaths.
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Police chief warns that there will probably be more attacks.

Arndale centre has been re-opened.

Latest news, 22 dead plus the bomber, and 59 injured are being treated in 6 hospitals.

A 23 year old man has been arrested in connection with the bombing.

Police issue emergency number for people worried about friends and relatives, 0044 856 9400
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You were right the first time.

Additional number for people trying to find missing relatives/friends.

Anyone with concerns over missing relatives can contact 0161 856 9400 or 0161 856 9900 for assistance.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-40010366
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While they're working on integrating the vast populations of disenfranchised Muslims (generations) perhaps they should consider severely limiting immigration from Muslim-majority countries to stop compounding the problem?
Why are they disenfranchised ? Im genuinely curious. They inhabit the same social spaces as society at all levels, those that are successful and those that are unsuccessful. Unsuccessful nonreligious young males however do not choose such a violent path in life in the main. From an opportunity perspective their existential paths are the same as people who have not taken up religion with such fervour. So why would you consider Muslim generations as disenfranchised and not society as a whole ?
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I wonder if any blame will be given to the fact the Police and security services have been cut by so many successive governments they are hardly able to operate properly under normal circumstances.

It's all very nice having nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers (with no airplanes) but they are not much use in defending the propulation against modern day threats.
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Old 23.05.2017, 14:33
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Katie Hopkins does say some ridiculous things and acts like a tit at times, yet it seems that the UK is in dire need of more so called cockroaches who aren't afraid to label problems for what they are and speak out against them.
No, we need people who identify practical and viable solutions not rabble rousers.
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Prime Minister Theresa May disclosed that the authorities think they know who carried out the atrocity and confirmed they are working to establish if he was acting as part of a terror group.
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Surely with adequate funding in the right areas, in view the authorities think they knew who did this, so shortly after, it could have been prevented or possible thwarted ?We'll never know now, but more police and domestic security seems a better use of money than an aircraft carrier, for instance, nice to have both, but if you can't then domestic security needs to come first as an aircraft carrier won't be much use in the fight against terrorism, apart from looking nice
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Let's get more outraged over tweets from Katie Hopkins rather than kids being blown to pieces. At least it distracts from what the real issue is.

All so predictable.
What is predictable is idiots coming up with crap like "Alans Snackbar" and wondering why even the most moderate muslim feels alienated, unwelcome and who knows what else.

22 people have died because of an extremist reacting to taunts from idiots like you.

One cannot condone these terrorist actions, but one can certainly understand the background to them.
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No, we need people who identify practical and viable solutions not rabble rousers.
it doesnt matter. people need to learn the hard way apparently. "rabble rousers" have warned for this shit for 20+ years. and now they try to talk about solutions.

prevention > cure. curing obviously is never pleasant. you can choose to not cut off the necrotic finger now, but youre gonna have to cut off the arm later. or not, and then die.
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Old 23.05.2017, 14:45
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What part of her tweet is wrong, racist, sectarian etc etc?



Point me in the direction of the last 'lone wolf' terrorist attack please.



As for this statement, you don't know what you are talking about.

Your comments and attitude are part of the issue. People are far too busy trying to be nice and make the world a peaceful place when in fact what is required, is every single known suspect needs to be either where applicable, kicked out the country or locked up in a a 6ft by 6ft cell with five of his mates, no tv, no smokes, bread and water for the rest of his live until he can prove that he should not be a suspect anymore.
I understand your anxiety and frustration but this is not really a practical solution; locking up innocent people without any proof of guilt has never worked anywhere, it just tends to radicalise non radical people.
Anyway most UK prisons are overcrowded so there would need to be new investment in premises and recruiting guards.
Keeping people in jail in UK costs over £30,000 per year per prisoner so you culd be looking at significant costs.
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