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Re: Frau Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit!

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Many Germans would diusgree. I was in the south of Poland a couple of months back and lots of evidence of Germans buying property. A crappy German pension is still a lot of money in the sticks in Poland.
Lots of people move and moved to Spain to retire.

Most never really spoke the language or integrated into the society.

As a result, alcoholism and depression rules and ruled in these communities and the number of people who return after a while is significant (AFAIK).

I don't expect much else from most of the people moving to Poland, TBH.
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Old 29.05.2017, 22:43
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These days, the only thing we Germans would invade is maybe Greece (and take away some of the islands) or the Balearic or Canary islands.

Reichskanzlerin Merkel: "There's land in the East. You just need to go and grab it. Go to Poland and be a farmer"

Long-term unemployed: "Thanks but no thanks. I have a doctor's certificate, I can't do anything that stresses my back too much for longer than 15 minutes an hour and then a 2 hours break. Also, I've heard there's no German cable-TV, the internet speed is crap and mobile coverage is spotty at best. Not going there, even if you pay me"
Since CS outsourced it's IT to Poland, the internet speed should be okay?
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Old 29.05.2017, 22:53
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Re: Frau Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit!

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Yeah but then you should say that. Nato's rules aren't set in stone. We could all agree to reduce our contributions across the board. That would be fair.

The thinking that we can cut our budget because the American contribution will keep us safe is ultimately about freeloading. Either that or somebody needs to bring up a credible argument why America needs to pay more.
"We could all agree to reduce our contributions across the board" There are no contributions to Nato
Each country is supposed to spend a certain agreed amount on equipping and running its own military; some countries do and some don't!.
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Old 29.05.2017, 23:10
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Building a European army that is actually more than a show-off will be a tremendously difficult, expensive and controversial endeavor.
If that were the case, the it would be exactly the same for NATO! In fact all that needs to be addressed is replacing NATO command and control with the EDA. After BREXIT, the only obstacle to implementing a42 is gone!
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Old 29.05.2017, 23:36
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Merkel is a skilled politician, she grew up under communism and now leads the strongest party & country in Europe. She didn't get there by being nice to everyone. So we must assume her remarks are pointed at someone.
That someone is the German public. We have federal elections coming up and her speech was at a beerfest of the Bavarian conservatives... Trump is very unpopular in Germany so currently do all parties claim that they find them shittier than the others do... Merkel has been a very strong advocate of US policies in the last decade, including the not so popular things the Americans did. So she needed a clear statement to not offer an angle of attack for the opposition parties.
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Of course.
Trump has a point there.
What point does he exactly have? That we don't spend enough on weapons which would somehow stop terrorism as he claims. You know what produced the most terrorists? American soldiers and weapons messing up the middle east, that's what. If you want to fight terrorism with force would that be the intelligence and police force. Something tells me that Trump isn't going to spend a lot on the FBI in the near future...
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Old 30.05.2017, 01:02
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Something tells me that Trump isn't going to spend a lot on the FBI in the near future...
Better check your crystal ball.

Trump's blueprint budget proposed an increase in FBI funding by 3% over the 2017 budget that's effective now. Only a few agencies didn't see their bugets cut.
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Old 30.05.2017, 09:38
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Maybe the other way around? Are they allowed to do that again yet?
Actually Britain declared war on Germany, but hey ho! Now that both the US and the UK are unreliable and France the only other nuclear armed power in Europe, it would be logical that perhaps Germany should start building nukes. Methinks Cheeto pee boy and that bland thing in the UK are guilty of not thinking things through.
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Lots of people move and moved to Spain to retire.

Most never really spoke the language or integrated into the society.

As a result, alcoholism and depression rules and ruled in these communities and the number of people who return after a while is significant (AFAIK).

I don't expect much else from most of the people moving to Poland, TBH.
To be fair Poland vs Germany is not that far.
East Germany is quite similar to West Poland in terms of culture, economy, income, etc.
And there are numerous places, especially in South Poland, which were and are still german speaking.
There are plenty of Germans buying in Poland near Baltic Resorts and prices are already very high, probably similar to Germany.
For the rest, yes its very cheap and very isolated. Probably foreigners only invest in "big cities".

I don't think German will necessary return, maybe its not that easy everywhere either... The trend would have to be analysed on a regional basis...
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Old 30.05.2017, 10:56
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Better check your crystal ball.

Trump's blueprint budget proposed an increase in FBI funding by 3% over the 2017 budget that's effective now. Only a few agencies didn't see their bugets cut.
That blueprint was before Trump found out that the FBI not only fights Muslim terrorists, but also investigates presidents...

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Actually Britain declared war on Germany, but hey ho! Now that both the US and the UK are unreliable and France the only other nuclear armed power in Europe, it would be logical that perhaps Germany should start building nukes. Methinks Cheeto pee boy and that bland thing in the UK are guilty of not thinking things through.
The chance of Germany building a nuclear arsenal is zero. But this isn't the 60s anymore - it's not about WW3, but about conflicts like Syria. I don't think Assad can be stopped with a nuke.
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Old 30.05.2017, 11:14
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I don't think German will necessary return, maybe its not that easy everywhere either... The trend would have to be analysed on a regional basis...
The numbers are probably far too small to consider it a case of German returning.

But maybe some usage of German in individual circumstances. Also, many Germans already have family connections to Poland. There has been migration going both ways for centuries, on a small scale.

And anyway, Germans are on the whole more willing to learn and use a foreign language than say, Brits are.
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Old 30.05.2017, 11:19
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Edit; think about the threats in May's Brexit letter about defence and security
what are you smoking? May went out of her way to emphasise that Britain wanted to maintain a strong role in EU defense.
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Old 30.05.2017, 11:21
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The chance of Germany building a nuclear arsenal is zero. But this isn't the 60s anymore - it's not about WW3, but about conflicts like Syria. I don't think Assad can be stopped with a nuke.
Agree.

The question though is, if NATO does break apart (and I know this is a big if, as I don't believe it will, methinks Merkel is just rattling her sabre but won't follow up) then what will Germany do for defence? If there is going to be a European army, Germany is going to have to take a visible and leading role in it. Can Germany do that? Will the German public accept and support that? What especially will the German left do? And if they oppose it, what is the alternative? There might be interesting discussions ahead.

But talking about rattling one's sabre, I think one needs to be very careful.

Back in the 1980s, Margaret Thatcher rattled her sabre over Euroscepticism. I don't think she believed it would ever happen but she used it to scare her European partners into agreeing to her terms. Yet the storm that she unleashed took on a life of its own and now look where it's got us.

Merkel needs to be careful that the Natoscepticism that she is conjuring out of the bottle won't in 30 years time come back to bite Germany very hard.
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Old 30.05.2017, 11:28
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The numbers are probably far too small to consider it a case of German returning.
It's mostly a border crossing thing very similar to the people who live on the German side of the Swiss border and commute daily. Another fast growing sector is healthcare. Thanks to modern healthcare do we all live longer and at some point are pretty likely to need disabled care in a retirement home. The price depends in Germany on the level of care you need from 1 to 3. A place for level 3 care costs over 3k EUR a month in Germany, which is higher than most peoples retirement. Same service in places like Slovakia? 1k EUR. Thats in the budget for most. And the nurses tend to speak as much German as the ones in Germany as these jobs are typically carried out by immigrants from Eastern Europe anyway...
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Re: Frau Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit!

Trump's logic is these countries owe a lot from past years.

Keeping this arbitrary 2% limit all countries owe billions.

In fact he handed Chancellor the bill when she visited him(handshake).

http://www.politico.eu/article/donal...o-bill-report/

Over $300B!!
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Trump's logic is these countries owe a lot from past years.

Keeping this arbitrary 2% limit all countries owe billions.

In fact he handed Chancellor the bill when she visited him(handshake).

http://www.politico.eu/article/donal...o-bill-report/

Over $300B!!
That was pretty funny.
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Agree.

The question though is, if NATO does break apart (and I know this is a big if, as I don't believe it will, methinks Merkel is just rattling her sabre but won't follow up) then what will Germany do for defence? If there is going to be a European army, Germany is going to have to take a visible and leading role in it. Can Germany do that? Will the German public accept and support that? What especially will the German left do? And if they oppose it, what is the alternative? There might be interesting discussions ahead.
It already is doing. Several battalions from other countries have been put under German control.
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It's mostly a border crossing thing very similar to the people who live on the German side of the Swiss border and commute daily. Another fast growing sector is healthcare. Thanks to modern healthcare do we all live longer and at some point are pretty likely to need disabled care in a retirement home. The price depends in Germany on the level of care you need from 1 to 3. A place for level 3 care costs over 3k EUR a month in Germany, which is higher than most peoples retirement. Same service in places like Slovakia? 1k EUR. Thats in the budget for most. And the nurses tend to speak as much German as the ones in Germany as these jobs are typically carried out by immigrants from Eastern Europe anyway...
and where do the Slovenian retirees go?
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and where do the Slovenian retirees go?
I don't know, but probably not to Slovakia... Eastern Europe is all the same, isn't it?

Currently is the bigger strain on their healthcare for sure the drain of nurses who go to the UK or Germany, not yet German patients moving there...
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and where do the Slovenian retirees go?
You forgot that EEs have shorter life span. Related to poor nutrition (imported food better quality is reserved for the West), lower quality of life (working a lot for lower salaries), stress, etc. Those fancy private nursing homes for foreigners are parallel to public nursing homes (lower standards materially but probably similar standard of health care, staffed also by cheaper outsourced med staff from other countries).. That said, nobody in my family nor friends' "finished" in a retirement home. It is just not being done.
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You forgot that EEs have shorter life span. Related to poor nutrition (imported food better quality is reserved for the West), lower quality of life (working a lot for lower salaries), stress, etc. Those fancy private nursing homes for foreigners are parallel to public nursing homes (lower standards materially but probably similar standard of health care, staffed also by cheaper outsourced med staff from other countries).. That said, nobody in my family nor friends' "finished" in a retirement home. It is just not being done.
I met a German family living in Hungary. Their aged dad lives at home because they didn't want to leave him behind in Germany and thought a Hungarian nursing home wasn't good enough. They pay two fully qualified nurses to look after him around the clock. They are employed legally, so they pay social securities, retirement fund, healthcare etc. Each nurse has one week living there with them as part of the family and one week off when she goes home (as in the next village). The nurses both speak really good German. The old guy, who is pretty senile, probably doesn't even realize he's not in Germany any more.

You couldn't do that in Germany, at least not on a normal salary. So in effect what we have is people from Western Europe going there and throwing big money around. But if it puts people there to work and puts money into the economy, what's wrong about it?
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