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Frau Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit!

Isn't that an epic moment!

We have entered a new era!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40078183

US and Britain are no longer stable allies.
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Old 28.05.2017, 21:23
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Isn't that an epic moment!

We have entered a new era!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40078183

US and Britain are no longer stable allies.
Well she didn't refer to the US and UK directly, she referred to them as "others". She'd also do well to remember that these "others" also had to save Europe from Germany. Not once but twice.
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Old 28.05.2017, 21:29
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Re: Frau Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit!

To quote Basil Faulty, "we didn't start it"...
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To quote Basil Faulty, "we didn't start it"...
Lol...
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Old 28.05.2017, 23:40
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She'd also do well to remember that these "others" also had to save Europe from Germany. Not once but twice.
Remembering history is one thing, trying to relive it another!
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Re: Frau Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit!

Well let's face it, Trump's US is not a stable allie. It doesn't seem very stable all together at the moment
GB .... well, it's up to the EU in general and Germany in particular; How will they treat their allie in the process of leaving the EU?

What I personally like about all this is that it brings movement into this stagnant dissatisfying situation we have here in Europe (which also concerns Switzerland and those myriads, stupid, complicated "bilaterals").
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Re: Frau Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit!

The EU was only able to come into existence and Western Europe was only able to embark on its little socialist utopia experiment because someone else was footing the bill for defence.
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The EU was only able to come into existence and Western Europe was only able to embark on its little socialist utopia experiment because someone else was footing the bill for defence.
Right because at say 2% it would all have been so impossible! Trying to recreate the past is the vision from the U.K. and the U.S these days - the rest of the world does not want the past!
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Well let's face it, Trump's US is not a stable allie. It doesn't seem very stable all together at the moment
GB .... well, it's up to the EU in general and Germany in particular; How will they treat their allie in the process of leaving the EU?
History has shown that when Germany choses the right allies, things go well. When Germany feels it neesd to go it alone against the rest of the evil world, or choses the wrong allies, things go bad.

According to Merkel

USA = bad ally
UK = bad ally
Turkey = good friend

Time to get worried?
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Old 29.05.2017, 12:07
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History has shown that when Germany choses the right allies, things go well. When Germany feels it neesd to go it alone against the rest of the evil world, or choses the wrong allies, things go bad.

According to Merkel

USA = bad ally
UK = bad ally
Turkey = good friend

Time to get worried?
Yes.
But where did Merkel say, Turkey was a good friend lately? Source?
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Re: Frau Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit!

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History has shown that when Germany choses the right allies, things go well. When Germany feels it neesd to go it alone against the rest of the evil world, or choses the wrong allies, things go bad.

According to Merkel

USA = bad ally
UK = bad ally
Turkey = good friend

Time to get worried?
Sure. That's why Merkel said to stop talks regading Turkey's joining the EU. Must be because she wants Turkey all for herself or something.

As for the US saving Europe in WW2 - nope, in reality it was Russia who did most of the heavy lifting, Germany was already on the retreat when the US became active in Europe. And of course without the attack on Pearl Harbor they may well have stayed out completely to begin with.

But then again, perhaps they simply deserved the right to bomb a main competitor on the global landscape back into oblivion. Carpet bombings of civilian areas are such a heroic deed after all, the firestorms in Japan's cities couldn't possibly have been satisfaction enough.
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Old 29.05.2017, 12:53
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Sure. That's why Merkel said to stop talks regading Turkey's joining the EU. Must be because she wants Turkey all for herself or something.

As for the US saving Europe in WW2 - nope, in reality it was Russia who did most of the heavy lifting, Germany was already on the retreat when the US became active in Europe. And of course without the attack on Pearl Harbor they may well have stayed out completely to begin with.
Germany is not exactly good friends with Russia either.

And to add insult to injury, Merkel's latest hobby horse is to spit bile over Poland.

Splendid Isolation. We all know how well that works.
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..... Carpet bombings of civilian areas are such a heroic deed after all......
The ooops-factor is still used today - just like for Schaffhausen back then. (371 bombs for a tiny place like Schaffhausen .... allegedly meant for Ludwigshafen.

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And to add insult to injury, Merkel's latest hobby horse is to spit bile over Poland......
It is? Again where is the source? I'm not pro Merkel but when did you stop backing up your information?
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The EU was only able to come into existence and Western Europe was only able to embark on its little socialist utopia experiment because someone else was footing the bill for defence.
As soon as her friend Putin starts to play around again Merkel will put her tail between her legs and will crawl back to Trump.
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Old 29.05.2017, 13:24
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The ooops-factor is still used today - just like for Schaffhausen back then. (371 bombs for a tiny place like Schaffhausen .... allegedly meant for Ludwigshafen.


It is? Again where is the source? I'm not pro Merkel but when did you stop backing up your information?
I don't know if you've been asleep these last couple of months but if you believe German and Poland have never been better chums you should maybe read the news more often.
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History has shown that when Germany choses the right allies, things go well. When Germany feels it neesd to go it alone against the rest of the evil world, or choses the wrong allies, things go bad.

According to Merkel

USA = bad ally
UK = bad ally
Turkey = good friend

Time to get worried?
What?

Relations between Germany and Turkey are at an all time low at the moment.

And she is right, an ally you can not trust is a bad ally.
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Old 29.05.2017, 13:52
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And she is right, an ally you can not trust is a bad ally.
So Wendehals Merkel is saying a country you can't trust isn't a good ally?

So that means Germany has no alternative to either getting rid of Merkel, or chosing to get by without allies?
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So Wendehals Merkel is saying a country you can't trust isn't a good ally?

So that means Germany has no alternative to either getting rid of Merkel, or chosing to get by without allies?
You're making some pretty wild leaps in how you interpret people's comments in this thread...
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